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AMY GOODMAN: Now, explain -- in your book, you go day one, day two, grand jury presentation, then testimony of FBI Special Agent Linda Campbell. But explain the grand jury presentation. Image

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Okay. Well, I started, of course, with this hypothetical indictment, which is what you would present to a grand jury, and the grand jury, as your listeners probably know, is just a group of people who are from the citizenry, and they meet usually every week for 18 months. And the task in a grand jury presentation is to introduce -- or to have the grand jury decide whether there’s probable cause, which means basically more evidence than not to believe that a crime has been committed.

So I think what people don't really realize is that most grand jury presentations are done by agents who are assigned to the case investigation. And so, in this case, day one is testimony which digests the kind of the genesis of the conspiracy. It involves the Project for New American Century. It kind of sets the stage for the eventual conspiracy, which began sometime after 9/11, at least by September of 2002.

AMY GOODMAN: And then, the FBI Special Agent Linda Campbell, what does she say?

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Well, she talks about the fact that even as early as 1992, Vice President Dick Cheney and his aides at the time -- he wasn't the Vice President, of course -- Lewis Libby and Paul Wolfowitz wrote a document, which set out the same types of goals that eventually became several documents -- one was in a letter to President Clinton, and one was called "Rebuilding America's Defenses" -- where they just set out the goals, among other things, of establishing a permanent base in Iraq.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, we just have a few minutes, and I want to get one line on each of these special agents of the day. Day three, testimony of FBI Special Agent Joseph Estrada.

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Okay. Well, you're really testing me here. Special Agent Estrada talks about, number one, that the oath of office of a president actually is to abide by the constitutional laws of the United States, and he sets forth that the executive branch officials actually have a duty to obey the law. They're not just politicians.

AMY GOODMAN: Daniel Crain, the FBI special agent?

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Okay, Daniel Crain talks in detail about one specific false allegation -- or false assertion made by the administration, which is about the aluminum tubes. And he sets forth in detail specifications of the tubes and how that proves that they were not suited for nuclear weapons and a lot of details about the intelligence.

AMY GOODMAN: Finally, you don't have a verdict. The grand jury does not make its decision in this book.

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Right, it’s up to the reader to decide.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, I want to thank you very much for being with us, Elizabeth de la Vega, former federal prosecutor, has written the book, United States v. George W. Bush, et al.. She was an Assistant US Attorney in Minneapolis, as well as a member of the Organized Crime Strike Force and Branch Chief in San Jose, California. Thank you.

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Thanks for having me.

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