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Ward Churchill's Trial of the Century

Jul 25 2007

Ward Churchill's Trial of the Century

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By Rosemarie Jackowski

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Ward Churchill's Trial of the Century
By: Rosemarie Jackowski

This is not the first time in history that mob rule has taken the place of intelligent reflection. The earth is flat; the sun revolves around the earth; 9/11 occurred because they hate us for our freedoms. Those who disagree will be charged with Heresy! A modern day Inquisition has been in process. Professor Ward Churchill has been fired.

Professor Churchill has been under attack for a long time. His crime - he tried to chip away at the denial that many found comfort in. Some habits are hard to break. Many of us are born and bred to believe that we are the best. Our country has never done anything wrong. The USA has never committed a war crime. We do not torture. Just ask the Attorney General.

Churchill is not alone in his current circumstance. His name will go down in history along with Galileo and others who have dared to challenge the conventional view. Now the trial of the century is about to begin. It has been more than 300 years since the Salem Witch Trials and more than 80 years since the Scopes Trial.

Churchill is ready to fight back. He is on the offense. Go get'em, Ward. Many are with you.

Will Churchill receive justice through a judicial process? No one knows. The judicial system in the United States often fails to achieve truth or justice.

Has Churchill ever made an error in any of his writings? Maybe. A few years ago I planned to sponsor - as part of my activism- a contest. The purpose of the contest would be to get as many people as possible to read Howard Zinn's "A Peoples History of the United States". A monetary prize would be awarded to anyone who found a significant error of fact in the book. I had a brief conversation with Zinn about my idea one day when he was speaking at a college near Albany, NY. I asked him what he thought about the contest. I will never forget his answer. He said, "Of course there might be a mistake in the book." The point is this: even the most highly respected authors and historians might not achieve absolute infallibility. Ancient history is hazy. Any author should be judged by the whole body of his work. It would be helpful to also judge the Press by the same standard. The accuracy of all history textbooks that are currently in use in our schools should also be re-evaluated.

A thorough examination of the arguments that Churchill puts forward could enlighten many. The main thrust of his writings is far more accurate than the sanitized view of history which is normally taught in most schools. How many high school history textbooks contain a chapter or even a paragraph about the slaughter at No Gun Ri and other US crimes against humanity? How many textbooks give the history of lynching in the US? How many in the US are aware of the government policy as expressed by Madeline Albright. While being interviewed by Leslie Stahl, Albright stated that the death of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it. Churchill is not alone in condemning a policy that results in the deaths of innocent children.

Will Churchill's detractors take a good look at the vast body of his writings or will the critics continue to hone in on one emotionally charged word or phrase? Every word, sentence, and punctuation mark that Churchill has ever used has been up for scrutiny. That is a good thing. A fair examination of the works of Churchill will necessitate an equally grueling examination of the history of USA actions and policies from 1492 to the present day. The Court should allow a thorough examination of United States history. That will be a major victory. Shocking overt and covert actions of the US, that have been covered-up for decades, will finally be exposed. The national dialogue will be changed forever.

The most heated criticism of Churchill is the result of his statement which basically said that 9/11 was Blowback. Churchill has been unfairly attacked on this issue by those who just don't "get it". The view that government policies have consequences did not originate with the Professor. When the word "Blowback" was first used, Churchill had not yet published any writings. It was 1954. He was seven years old. "Blowback" is a term introduced by the CIA because it was generally accepted that US foreign policy would eventually result in blowback. At that time the CIA was concerned about the effects of USA involvement in the overthrow of Mossadeq in Iran.

In 2000, before the tragedy of 9/11, Chalmers Johnson published his book titled "Blowback". "Blowback" won an American Book Award in 2001. Most who follow US foreign policy knew that the American people would pay a price. The only surprise about 9/11 was the where and when. The "why" was well known and documented years before, but ignored by the media. Churchill's explanation of the "why" has offended and shocked only those who were not paying attention.

Attorney David Lane is representing Churchill. Will the Galileo concept be used during the Trial? It is relevant - seems like history repeating itself. All eyes will be on the Trial of the Century. I'm placing my bet on the Professor.

Rosemarie Jackowski is an advocacy journalist living in the USA. She was arrested, tried, and convicted for her participation in a peaceful protest of the war. The conviction was appealed and overturned in the State Supreme Court. The government then announced plans to retry the case. Finally, after years of legal proceedings, all charges were dropped. She can be reached at: dissent[at]sover.net Articles by Rosemarie Jackowski at MWC News http://mwcnews.net/rosemarie-jackowski

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Comments (40)

1. 26-07-2007 01:16

The mob mentality seldom, if ever, allows conservative speech on campus. Those speakers are shouted down. I hope you are equally scandalized by that.

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John

2. 26-07-2007 04:32

C'mon, let's get serious...

This guy is one of the biggest frauds and scam artists to walk the planet. How else can you explain someone getting paid $100,000 a year as a "Native Indian Scholar" when he is no more Native Indian, or scholar, than Homer Simpson. At least Homer is self deprecating, rather than delusionaly self aggrandizing like Chief Chain Smoke Substance Abuse And Big Heap O Buffalo Shit.

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robert.ethan@gmail.comNOSPAM! ">robert ethan

3. 26-07-2007 04:48

perhaps he just lied...

Well, as much as you seem to love Mr. Churchhill for the way that he has fought the establishment and believed Oliver-Stone-like conspiracy theories about 9/11, your article does not properly assess the charges against him. His own colleagues found that he fabricated sources by writing under assumed names then sourced his own writings. He deliberately distorted facts about US history to meet his own agenda. Despite what opinions a man holds, he is obligated to meet academic standards if he is to teach at a public university... even if it is in a highly non-academic department.

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redgolfball2424@yahoo.comNOSPAM! ">Matthew

4. 26-07-2007 05:28

perhaps he just lied...

You are giving way too much credit to a man who has spent his whole life hiding behind 1 Amendment, while stomping on all 10 Commandments.

Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan were fined and sent to jail for a fraction of the chronic drug and alchohol abuse your hero indulges in. Martha Stewart and Conrad Black have been (are being) similarly dealt with for committing lesser frauds than Ward Churchill has perpetrated on the public.

Only in America would a loathsome parasite like Churchill be rewarded to the tune of nearly $100,000 for such contempible behavior. Hopefully that will buy enough booze and cigarettes to send him to the Unhappy Grumbling Grounds in the sky before he steals any more money from the Colorado Educational System.

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kfc@yahoo.comNOSPAM! ">karla

5. 26-07-2007 13:04

The man is a Sham not a shaman!

No wonder you support this joke af a professor. Here's a guy who said that the world would be better off if America was gone from the face of the Earth.

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oblong24@yahoo.comNOSPAM! ">Jack M. Hoff

6. 26-07-2007 13:30

The man is a Sham not a shaman!

John, Robert, Matthew, Karla, and Jack - thanks for the comments. I notice that you all engage in ad hominem attacks against Churchill, and none of you debate the main thrust of his work. Would the world be a better place if the United States was gone? (Jack your use of the word "America" shows a national arrogancy, unless you meant ALL of North and South America. Churchill's main criticism is about the United States - NOT all of America.)

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

7. 26-07-2007 13:50

Fraud

"Would the world be a better place if the United States was gone?"

You are an even greater fraud that Churchill.

The world would be a better place if you were gone.

http://www.harleyscars.com

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simplegoal@yahoo.comNOSPAM! ">Shouting Thomas

8. 26-07-2007 15:49

Discuss the facts - just the facts

Shouting Thomas...please take this test and then get back in the discussion. Here's the link.

mwcnews.net/content/view/14968/26/

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

9. 26-07-2007 15:02

Discuss the facts - just the facts

Looking back on the past comments, I feel that most of them are made in haste and initial reaction. Whilst I do not agree with Churchills' decisions and views, I do not believe that this gives others the opportunity to bear down and make stereotypical remarks about Aboriginal peoples.

Please think before you type, do not lump us all in the same category as others who use money to " buy enough booze and cigarettes to send him to the Unhappy Grumbling Grounds in the sky"

Remember it is the American/Canadian governments which perpetuate these stereotypes and attitudes towards natives, which have sadly encompassed societies view of us today.

Thank you

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grizzly@canada.comNOSPAM! ">clare

10. 26-07-2007 20:04

Good Comment

clare...very well said. I agree. Stereotypical remarks and ad hominem attacks get us nowhere. I am still waiting for anyone to tell us why the major thrust of Churchill's work is not valid. His major point is that USA policies have had a very negative effect. Many innocent civilians have been killed because of USA foreign policies. Is there anyone who can dispute that????

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

11. 26-07-2007 20:06

Chief Whitey Fake-Em-Good

Poor Chief Whitey Fake-Em-Good. Who'll teach other rich white people to hate themselves?

That's right, Ward. U.S. Off The Planet! Joe Stalin is pleased.

http://www.oldpunks.com

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oldpunkwebzine@yahoo.comNOSPAM! ">Emerson

12. 26-07-2007 21:05

Chief Whitey Fake-Em-Good

Ward Churchill was not fired for the content of his inflammatory article about 9/11. This article merely served to bring attention to the fact that he has lied and plagiarized throughout his academic career. CU has every right in the world to get rid of an incompetent professor, and I hope the courts realize this.

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vchan0205@hotmail.comNOSPAM! ">Laura

13. 26-07-2007 22:58

Chief Whitey Fake-Em-Good

Quote:

... bring attention to the fact that he has lied and plagiarized throughout his academic career. CU has every right in the world to get rid of an incompetent professor, and I hope the courts realize this.

And you know this based on what?

Anyhow, if that is the case and as you say "fact".(???) Why are you hoping for the court to realize it? Don't you trust that the court will have more access to actual facts then you had?

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Shahram

14. 27-07-2007 03:21

oh, yeah, right

There are many, many profs making much more than $100,000--and some of them edit--that is, they are paid to say they read and edited--history textbooks that lie with ten league boots. But, those guys is white'n don't rock no boat. I guess ghost writing is now a crime? Let us not forget that Brown, the chair of the committee, has been after Churchill for many, many years. Try catching up on the racist pasture paddies he's been throwing around. And, then, there's that blind Brazilian writer, Jorge Luis Borges, who noted that it's quite possible for two people to write the same story...and, of course, there's quantum theory...

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znzfqlxskj@gmail.comNOSPAM! ">jimsecor

15. 27-07-2007 16:02

oh, yeah, right

The simple fact is this: Churchill was fired because he stepped out of line. He was not willing to be silent. He was not willing to teach what he knew to be untrue. The USA population had been propagandized and dumbed-down into believing that "they" hated us for our freedoms and that is what caused 9/11.
Were the buildings in NYC legitimate military targets? What constitutes "military"? According to US government policies, those who participate in financing military actions against us are military targets. You can't have it both ways.
I mourn the deaths of all who died on 9/11, but I suggest that everyone connect the dots between US foreign policy and the work being done in the WTC.

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

16. 28-07-2007 05:01

oh, yeah, right

What you have done here Rosemarie,(you have the knack). Is touch a very raw nerve. I know nothing about this Professor, but a few of the statements you and some other people who commented have made are food for thought. And looking in from outside, I think of the brilliance of that great Scots Bard, who wrote,|Oh Lord, the gift to gi us to see are selves as others see us|. That would be a frightening gift for us all. Propaganda is used to blind us, and governments have no qualms about using it.
Those comments about booze and and cigarettes, are sick and atypical of a sad mind set.

Mike

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1ibis2@excite.comNOSPAM! ">mike

17. 28-07-2007 20:04

Thanks, Mike

Thanks, Mike. You are very kind. The issue of prejudice and stereotyping is growing in the usa. Our culture is becoming more toxic by the minute. On talk radio, TV, in newspapers, etc. I listen to the comments of ordinary citizens who say the most cruel things about the new immigrants coming to this country. Kindness and empathy are almost non-existent. We, in the usa, even hate ourselves so much that 18,000 die every year from lack of access to health care. Maybe those in other countries will look at the usa and learn an important lesson to never become like us.

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

18. 29-07-2007 00:22

learning

I doubt very seriously if anyone will learn anything: China had the opportunity, for nearly 30 yrs, of watching the US make mistakes and, when Deng opened the country up, it proceded to make all of the mistakes again, I guess as part of Westernization.

But back to Ward...I'm reading a compilation of Karl Popper's papers and lectures and note that this pre-eminent philosopher indulges in the same hateful thing that Ward did: citing himself. Ward did it under an assumed name, perhaps that's the crime.

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znzfqlxskj@gmail.comNOSPAM! ">jimsecor

19. 29-07-2007 16:19

thanks rosemarie

A comment from a Dane. As for Ward Churchill he belongs up there among the best. What I know about American foreign policy (and domestic)is thanks to people like him. His "A Little Matter of Genocide" is a masterpiece. There are so many Americans like him that I admire and respect, and if I know anything about these matters it´s because of them. Regrettaby you won´t find them in my country, which I´m sad to say is part of the coalition of the willing committing war crimes in Iraq.

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noam_chomsky_20_1999@yahoo.dkNOSPAM! ">erling jensen

20. 29-07-2007 18:56

thanks rosemarie

Thank you Rosemarie, I have folowed this man for only a short time. He may be guilty of some of what they claim. But in his overall message of the exposure and painting of a the full picture I can not help far out weighs its blemishes. As I herd a famous black american writter exclaim while accepting his award for his writtings and answering questions from the audience, There is no doubt that the white man in his theft of North America stold the land, took it, from the american indian. Not only dose Churchills work expose this and bring it to light, he points to the fact as we gazed to west to achieve this destiny of wealth, done on the backs of another group of peoples of color (slaves). These actions were justified and made acceptable, to attempt a void in critisism, in the statements made behind the Manifest Destiny. We now, AS WE TURN OUR GAZE BACK TO THE EAST, continue with this same philosophy to another peoples of colored skin, drive to bring democracy and freedom to the east now in serch of still that precious comodity oil. Those who do not put on the blue coat or join his ranks will be systematically, purposefully and with intent, directly and then indirectly by their own manipulated by, and the covert and direct policies of the occupiers, all of them. How coincedental the main occupiers are the same as those who were invovved in much of the North American begginings, Great Britain, the Dutch and Settlers. Odds are against Chirchill as we see laws or edicts being passed weekly and monthly by the king that reek with old lubricants left overby slick Willy and his father, not to leave out except to be brief the crimes of their predisessors. Need I say more about the arrogance of the colonizing white man. Prejudice abounds in the other comments.

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sjcolorwing@hotmail.comNOSPAM! ">SCJ

21. 29-07-2007 19:53

Great comments - keep them coming

Jim...Sadly, I guess I agree that most will not learn from all of this.
erling jensen...Most of what Churchill has written is in the "Masterpiece" class. Most students in our schools, and most teachers have never read any of his works.
sjcolorwing...what you say reminded me of how the usa got to "own" Texas, California etc. None of that is ever taught in usa schools. The sanitizing of history is one of this country's biggest failures.

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

22. 30-07-2007 04:40

Why they hate us

Recommended reading

Why they hate us

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Shahram

23. 30-07-2007 05:50

Why they hate us

In reverance tomy above post I am refering to thewriter James Baldwin. After doing some google search on Ward Churchill and visiting a right leaning site. I found it hard to see prove of some of the claims. Such as on here a remark he is not indian, yet no prove. Another he dose not have a degree to really even teach. Many cold hard nasty claims and no back up. One claiming Ward was caught on tape advocating terrorism. Reprint of the dialog I could not see it. I found his \"On the justice of Roosting Chickens\" to be rational and true in its comparisons. These people just can\'t stand to have their goverment critisized, and think it can do no wrong. The seriousness of the other crimes of misrepresentation, were also vague. But he is guilty now because he was fired.

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sjcolorwing@hotmail.comNOSPAM! ">SCJ

24. 30-07-2007 23:28

Judging is work

sjcolorwing...There has been an ongoing smear campaign against Churchill for years. It is not important whether he is 100% Indian, or 1% Indian. His work is the important thing. He is one of the very few to point out some of the important aspects of US policy such as 9/11 was "Blowback" on what, some consider to be, a military target. All the while the government was lying and telling the people that 9/11 was because they hate us for our freedoms.

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

25. 30-07-2007 23:34

Stop Telling Lies To Yourself, American.

Stop telling lies to yourself American. We know that your racist brutal murdering war criminal troops came from your society and reflect its values. we know that because we see how they behave and have to bury their victims. If you are stupid enough to think we feel anything but hatred and contempt for your soldiers and the country that sent them to make war on my people then you are a fool.

As to Saddam bad though he was your country is far worse.

an Iraqi medical relief worker, Dr. Maryam,

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Shahram

26. 31-07-2007 01:33

Stop Telling Lies To Yourself, American.

SHAHRAM Thanks for posting the doctors remarks. I hope Ward Churcill can be cleared and justice served. ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT and I am sure he would agree, maybe his message will recieve more and wider audience. A few sites I visited were ripe with what looked to be irrational compulsive condeming remarks. Hopefully some will inquire more deeply into his thoughts. As Mr. Baldwin suggested America needs to have its own US history national holiday to make our own history more informed to ourselfs. The US history has dragged with its White men a seemingly predisposed disposition towards genocide. From that statement he reiterated the theft of the land from the American Indian, no doubt about it we took it. Like Mr. Churchill he in his reminder begs in the same sentence to realize the US has been living off a war time economy since the late 1930\'s. Sorry I don\'t have a proper link to post. Mr. Baldwins award speech and other can be viewed on Cspan on line, in American Writers. Sorry not to change the topic, I was introduced to both of these men the same weekend watching Cspan. Ward Churchill was giving a talk on a book he wrote called Kill the Indian Save the Man. Both men have messages somewhat in parallel, and of my own heart; and have helped to strengthn me in my resolve to oppress ethnic injustices and suppress what I believe is the real crime in ALL HISTORY, a historically unmatched, genocide for the theft of oil, by not Bush but the greed of those who wish to benefit from the extremes of Capitalism. Thus we have many who worked inside the world trade center. Did these people know the extreme side and its dark side effect of that which they promoted. This is the crux of Ward Churchills arguement in The Chickens Coming Home To Roost. While we have since the 1930\'s invaded, created coups, placed embargoes, droped bombs from 1000\'s ft. up on 3rd world occupants, collateral damaged (some children) lives lost; as Madame Albrite states is the price to be paid. So in like circumstances if you are attacked according to Bush and Co you are a terrorist, or (here is the chicken roost)even harbor or support these folks you are also a terrorist. These terrorists are EVIL as George says, and killing by this suicide fashion is some say chicken s%**$. So to be repetitive, you can not have it both ways. If Ward Churchill was fired for plagerism and lieing with distortions. Then there are a number of our goverment officials who should be fired for takeing us to war over the same in Iraq and Afghanistan. Afghanistan because they lied and droped the ball and let the so named perpetrators escape into a friend of ours, (dictator controled) country Pakistan, and never puting theheat on the country behind the trade center bombings Saudi Arabia another dictator friend of our goverment. Bombing Bagdad the first time and indescriminant losses and UD bombs and during and thru Clinton. No party favorites here. No point to go on either. I cannot clainm to know what the American indians or Iraqi people have suffered, but what happen and is happening is not right, and a larger crime continues being commited. Don\'t be distracted by the elections stop funds for this war now. May Ward Churchill carry on.

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sjcolorwing@hotmail.comNOSPAM! ">SCJ

27. 31-07-2007 22:10

Thanks, Dr. Maryam

Shahram...Thanks for posting that. Most in the usa would be shocked to hear the words of Dr. Maryam. The population has been so propagandized that many believed that an invading and occupying military from another country would be welcomed with flowers. It is hard to understand how this propaganda campaign could have been so effective, but it has been - partly because the schools in the usa teach an inaccurate view of history.

sjcolorwing...Yes, the funds for war MUST be stopped. That is easy to do. All that Congress would have had to do was NOTHING. Congress should NOT have done anything, but instead they authorized, and continue to authorize this war by funding it.

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

28. 02-08-2007 02:41

where is this argument going?

The author of this article criticized the early comments because they didn't go into the area of debate that leads no where, and I don't see what American foreign policy has to do with what Ward Churchill has been accused of. I think it is childish for us to sit here and debate what the world would be like without the United States just as it would be childish for us to debate what the world would be like if tobacco had never evolved or what the leftists would complain about if the right wing were to move to Canada. The question here is simple: can Ward Churchill say whatever he wants and conduct his "research" however he feels necessary simply because he dislikes the government and still receive government funding allocated to research? Iraq is not relevent to this topic; the Mexican War has nothing to do with Churchill...the question is simple: did Churchill deserve to be removed from his position as a university professor, and I think that if we were to put all of our prejudices aside and deal only with what we know based on the findings, that we would have to answer "yes." I, just like everyone else, would love to live in a world without war and poverty and hatred and fire ants, but that doesn't mean I am going to support a half-assed scholar.

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mrathel@gmail.comNOSPAM! ">Matthew

29. 02-08-2007 03:20

the report

Perhaps it would be better if some of us looked at the 125-page report before jumping to the conclusion that he is guilty or innocent. I feel that the committee went out of its way to accept Churchill's genre of research for what it is before they conducted their own investigation, and I think they gave him more than enough wiggle room because he studies in an area that isn't a traditional field. I know for sure that any student at my university would be expelled for these misconducts whether he or she were writing about US foreign policies or the early works of Shakespeare.

http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/download/WardChurchillReport.pdf

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mrathel@gmail.comNOSPAM! ">matthew

30. 02-08-2007 04:16

the report

First of all this goes back to early 2005. When he wrote the essay htat referances 9/11. Iraq is not off the subject but rather to the heart of the matter of foriegn policy that he speaks of and what started his being targeted. As a historical writter it is not uncommon for foot notes and quotes to go amiss in large reasearched works. This country is steeped in coverups thru out its history. One is the credit the west likes to give to Regan getting credit for the collapse of the USSR and communism. Just as a small example. I have read a couple of his works and other debates on other sites. Our current war on terror is highly debateable as to the truths the Bush administration gave to go to war. If Ward Chuchill made some mistakes in his research, this dose not make him a criminal. How many times I have been in a class using a text the instructor has chosen to deviate from the author of the text. They have been calling for his head since that article , yet that article is not were the reasons for firing him are to be found, and yet they are. This is the crux of the matter. An article from his wife was published in Znet in defence fo his work and what he is being accused of. Any one wanting to ignore that politics is not playing a role in this isn\'t looking at the full picture. Writing and conclusions on social sciences are not always cut and dry, as in mathematics. As far as anyones university and what they would have happen at their school, are you on the board at your school. If so lay it out. Much of what Churchill is trying to expose is historical and some is philisophical. He would have had to have made some grave misrepresentations. His opinions and argument in regaurds to the World Trade Centers, are no more far vetched than teh ones given to take us to war start a new genocide and finish out a older genocide to take control and basically steal natural gas and oil thru domination in the middle east, which we have been doing since befor 9/11 and back as far at least to the Regan administration to be kind , as it goes farther than that.Contrary tothe publicized so called liberal media (liers that they are, bush is winning this war thru caos), as it allows us to stay but surrounding more lies of spreading democracy. Churchill is just sombody who pointed some of the B.S. that really called for (9/11 to happen). Multiple genocidal periods are encompassed in this whole debacle and US and corp. powers that be do not like these things drawn to the publics attention , especiallly when they are trying to get the publics attention to commit a genocide to steal peoples oil and need enlistments. None of my instructors were fired for changing paths, or presenting a less popular side of the story. So this is about more that some misdeeds on some paper work and publications.

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sjcolorwing@hotmail.comNOSPAM! ">SCJ

31. 02-08-2007 04:35

ummm ok

again with the long explanations of foreign policy. Ok, I understand: America is the devil, Bush lied and killed American soldiers with his bare hands,Native American babies being used as tampons...I get it. Now, about the little mistakes: professors are held to extremely high standards which are set forth by the university that employs them. The last pages of the report clearly show that he didn't merely forget to cite a source; he passed off copywrited material as his own more than once. As a professor, he knew this was wrong but did it anyway. Now with all of his activism and non-scholarly writings, he must have been really busy and didn't have time to do things correctly, but what Mr. Churchill did was in direct violation of the same standards of academic honestly the University of Colorado requires its undergraduates to meet. Maybe he was a target because of what he had written, but the fact is that he did commit the infraction he was punished for and did not receive a punishment any different than Bill O' Reilly would have gotten for the same offense.

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mrathel@gmail.comNOSPAM! ">matthew

32. 02-08-2007 04:43

ummm ok

In addition I would like to say, yes he made some mistakes and didn't cover all his bases. Dose he deserve to be removed, no I think it was a witch hunt and based on his imperfections in his reserch they fired him but not with out predjudice. They were pushed to invesigate and find something because of his (9/11 article) what they got him on wasnot what was inthat article but other works of his. As Bush recently said over Libby a bit harsh on the hand slap, only this time it may be true.

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sjcolorwing@hotmail.comNOSPAM! ">SCJ

33. 02-08-2007 17:06

No one will be standing

What those who support the action against Professor Churchill do not understand is the dangerous message that conveys.

University authorities admitted at least this much that 9/11 essay triggered the enquiry.

Thereafter the message that is laid out here, is that if you dare to question our version of the event, we will scrutinize you and destroy your carrier and reputation. If we do not find anything , then we will go after your family, as was the case in ambassador Wilson, or the ongoing harassment of Professor Norman Finkelstein.

In another hand if one be a "team player" or at least to stay quite, not only he/she can get a way with anything but also a team of spine doctors would be ready in time of need. If you shoot someone in the face because you are intoxicated that becomes honest mistake and actualy the victim fault.

One can not have it both ways, either you have to admit the system is deeply flawed hence unable to function justly, or its designed by nature not to tolerate dissidence.

There is an expression in Persian which says, if they were to arrest dunks, it would not be anyone left in town.

I think if they investigate all thoroughly, there won't be a single Professor left in US universities.

Just a thought

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Shahram

34. 02-08-2007 19:17

Hiding the truth, one generation at a ti

Great discussion going on here. This may be one of the only places where the discussion is actually on the real issues. Shahram points out how dangerous it is to smear Churchill and anyone else who speaks out about USA atrocities.
I have spent most of my adult life working in the field of education. As far back as 35 years ago I started an unscientific poll and have asked every high school social studies teacher that I encountered what would happen if he/she taught the truth about US History. They all said that they would be fired if they taught the truth. That's just the way it is in this country - big city schools, rural schools - it the same. How many high school text books contain any reference to NoGunRi? That's just one of the criteria I use.
The problem has now gone on for so long that we have a generation of teachers who themselves have been taught a sanitized version of US History.

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dissent@sover.netNOSPAM! ">rosemarie jackowski

35. 03-08-2007 01:45

high standards??

Perhaps Hi-C would be better. the standards are clear: play the game or else. Tenure is politics, not worth.

History & truth: I just read the recent Smithsonian on a little known general who basically turned the tide. The historical lie is that the SCHOLAR kept calling George Washington GENERAL. This is untrue: George was a Colonel during the War, only being made General after he was elected. He was a Colonel with friends in the right places and a brown nose: he got the money roaming around NY and PA making mistakes (to be simplistic about it) while a certain love-to-be-hated-so called-traitor kept the entire British army north of the St. Lawrence and in Canada.

I wonder how it is James Loewen and Howard Zinn keep their teaching posts telling the truth about history. . .

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James Secor

36. 03-08-2007 08:17

high standards??

First of all I will address the 125 page report by the commission. It is written by those who are firing him. Not unlike Micheal Chertoffs cousin, Benjamin Chertoff senior editor of PM magazine headed the magazines investigation to debunk the accusations of 9/11 conspiracies. Second of all why hasn\'t O\'Rielly been fired for his sexual harrasment charges. He just happens to work for another organization that has itself also a record of ethical misconduct on news distortions. Third arfter reading the 125 page report, please go to the WSWS and check archives and links for dates Feb 28 and March4 05 and read what they had to say about Ward Churchill and the numerous times they published letters to the editor in regaurds to the article they wrote, the letters and responses give a wide range of debate that exemplify how contiversial his 9/11 was taken. Also ther is a appointment of a org. by Bush headed by Lynne Cheny to try and stream line the curriculum offered by our countries universities . Rid the halls of higher education of various departments of education they deem not of importance. This group is he ACTA American council trustee and Alumni. Lynn Cheny is the director or the board and Anne Neal has been hard for his execution. This is by people who want creeationism taught as a science class in lower ed schools and mno making moves to destroy our universities, CU being one of them. Of 6 original crimes theyheld against Churchill they held up 3 as definate reasons for termination. Then go the Teachers for a Democratic society and read the their editorial in defence of Ward Churchill with over 500 signitures from major universities and colleges in Colorado and through out the United States, Howard Zinn and numerous published peoples signatures are on the list. Ther is also a lete available in defence for ward Chuchill at the ACLU. Remarks such as Native american babies as tampons only shows brazen ignorance and almost vulgar interpetation of what is a genocide of M.E. peoples based on a number of huge lies and falsified foot notes, that were once exposed shrugged off as faulty reaserch and evidence from our goverment agencie who are paid to get teh facts. The nepotism in our goverment and its attack to destroy our education system is just another extention of what is going on in this picture of attacking people who speak out and expose the stench of the fascist military expansionism that is going on in this country mostly based on twisted ideas and mistruths to benifit the minority of the elite for their greed and the corrupt two party system that has been sold out to K street for who knows how long. 300 lives lost in the trade center and the 5-6000 American soldier deaths, are only just a fraction of the lives US policy has taken from the M.E. conflicts in Palistien, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq and soon to be attacked Iran. Lets leave V.N. Iran Contra, the genocide in India in WWII facilitated by the Brits. So Bill O\'Rielly not getting fired , although it is just another example of those on the right who scandalize those on the left or steal through fraud and manipulation of politician to get indian tribes to give pay off money to republican affiliate org. then donated back, these people are not held accountable. Yet a witch hunt against desenters of the administration for some book note errors are going to be made a scape goat out of to put fear into those others who may speak out - JUST DON\'T JUST DON\'T EVEN TRY IT. yOU HAVE FAILED TO POST WHAT JUNIOR COLLEGE OF HIGHER EDUCATION YOU BELONG TO THAT HOLDS SUCH HIGH STANDARDS IN REGAURDS TO FORIEGN POLICY OR SHAKSPEAR. lETS NOT SUPPORT A HALF ASS SCHOLAR, OR A HALF ASS GOVERMENTAND ITS FORIEGN POLICIES. I guess that leaves us with Ward Churchill and not the AmericoFascists that present lies andfaulty intellegence to the world and UN to attack a country unpravoked and destroy its culture,people, steel its oil and gas by maintaining caous in order to stay and remove any form of resistance to the U.S. yes goverments installation of democracy it dictates as acceptable, which can only happen when all resistance is removed from being able to speak out against installing its own chosen doctrination rather than the one that its people elect would have written and installed, which would include little oil refining revenue for the mother loads burden. By the way I believe Ward Churchill was due to have published some revised updated editions in the near future in respect to correcting some of his errors. They will continue to follow him with a magnifying glass for some time to come especially if he dose get reinstated. Colorado being the republican state that it is and the Cheny\'s back yard sort of speak will make his life difficult, but he plans to continue on with his work. Sad some people just don\'t get the connections.

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37. 04-08-2007 15:27

high standards??

Read the report, cj? Tautological proof? Reading Ward Churchill's writing is the thing to do. Then...check into the concept of "convergence." And then remember that Wallace and Darwin came up with the same theory independentally of each other at the same time. Things happen. When you base your judgment on secondhand information that just may be highly prejudiced, you are basing your judgment on hearsay evidence, you're taking someone else's word for it, someone you don't even know but you're willing to bet on. I'm in awe of you.

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38. 05-08-2007 00:23

high standards??

Read the report, cj? Thanks, did not read the whole report. Read a couple of his works of the essay type. Have not read any books of Ward Churchill. I don\'t remember if I have read any of the literature that the report referances. I would have to review, and check. As to my referances, one in particular, presented when all was said and done, argument I did not like, but had some meat. Not sure of the full extent your critique. Second hand evidence that I referanced to was not the basis of my judgement. Earlier post I admit he has some offences. I did not base my position on any one source. Converged some what with Rosemaries report. On convergence, I am aware and think it is possible, probable, a crime if it happens, each its own merit, a crime the others work may have gotten forshadowed, lost credits gone down in history. Two scientists identifying the HIV virus at supposedly the same time, or did they, or independant of one another. Was the CU report impermeable to fire him, over his crimes, I disagree. On the grounds I am against capital punishment. Could I have read more, could I have been more condensed and precise to my points, I am guilty. As for second hand information that was only to hopefully project the broader scope and to where this goes back to. I\'m not sure what single second had information you think I made my entire judgement on. This is best I can reply, not sure I catch your jest or full extent of my crime.

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39. 05-08-2007 04:42

thanks, chums

I found this really witty article on Churchill that might counter the extreme rants that have been given in his defense. Of course it is short on facts, but then again so are half the arguments given here, so I will consider myself to be in Rome. I fully understand that only leftists are allowed to rant or come up with absurd conspiracy theories, but Hanson brings up a few good points on whether Churchill even deserved his job in the first place.

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200503240801.asp

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40. 05-08-2007 19:40

It's about the "E" word !!!!!!!!!!!!!

matthew...I thank you for your comment. The National Review article is, as you say, short on facts. Worse than that, it is an ad hominem attack. It does not address the main issues in Churchill's writings. In response to the NR article, I would say, that I would consider the information that they bring up only relevant for someone who is choosing a brother, or neighbor, or best friend, or spouse. In other words, it is totally irrelevant to me and many others who would prefer to judge Churchill by his written work, and not unsubstantiated allegations about his personal or professional life. And yes, I DO believe that he has been fired because of his use of the "E" word in one essay, not because of any of the other extraneous allegations made during the nationwide smear campaign against him.

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