Finally someone notices

Wow. Thanks for this post. I got alot of other things on my plate so I didnt want to write re my questions re the Dalai Lama. Im glad someone has though. a couple other issues are his inability to stand up for India despite being hosted by them for most of his life among other things. I also suspect that because China is finally rising out of centuries of political and cultural domination and is a super power in its own right the Dalai Lama and the Tibet issue are being used as a weapon against them. I think its hilarious hearing the Western powers, esp US and UK lecturing China on Human rights....REMEMBER THE OPIUM WARS?! ANYONE! THE INDIANS BOTH ASIAN AND AMERICAN!? 
Again thank you.

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Finally someone notices

Yes. Being used. China bashing big time. Never done to the US. When all of the peacenicks got together a couple yrs ago, everyone named names except the DL, he just blurbed generalities. I wrote, then, about his woos-assness.

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Let's remember those days China was und

Sigh...I remember Hong Kong was once also colony of Britain..but the Brits never called Hong Kong people Brits. China also denied British had any legitimate sovereignty over the \"colony\". Hong Kong people, even totally Westernized, seldom denied their own ethnicity. If this reality applied to China-Hong Kong-British, when British was the top-dog of power..why not apply to other states that replicated this relationship with China. Bear in mind, British back then did have sovereignty over Hong Kong, quite unlike China and Tibet in history.  
Besides, when another nation state became an tributary country, it means that it was under threat, or under gun point... That is exactly witnessed that the tributary state was not a part of the more powerful country. It would remain submissive and docile under it had the power to revolt. Say, China under Japan's occupation. Anyone that remembers what China has gone through in those dark ages understand the current Tibet-China dynamic...and would not mistake Tibet as part of China in history.  
 
The following is abstractions from wiki  
 
1. The term tributary state refers to one of the two main ways in which a pre-modern state might be subordinate to a more powerful neighbour....so that tribute might best be seen as the payment of protection money. Or it might be more symbolic... 
2. Tributary relations involve no element of administrative control or interference by the hegemon. ... former (pre-modern) tributary states deny that there was any transfer of sovereignty. For instance, tributaries of Imperial China implies Chinese sovereign claim over territories not now regarded as Chinese. (say, Korea, Thailand, Vietnam).

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Pot stirring

I read both the article and the comments, and if you asked me who do you think has the strongest points I would say yes. Just because China is a long time stand over merchant regarding Tibet, I believe does not give the OK to Buddhist Monks to go on the rampage. 
A very fine Tibetan monk who I once knew, was asked often, what his opinion was of China's invasion of Tibet, his replies reflected that it was Tibet's karma, and Tibet brought it about by its own actions, this used to puzzle us, but now I think I understand.  
 
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non-sense

You can say the same thing about Korea or Vietnam that they were tributary to China too. Yet China doesn't make the same claim about Vietnam or Korea. Who are these people who keep make excuses for Chinese communist regime that has done terrible things to Tibetans and Han Chinese despite of ethnic and cultural differences? The way the emperors from Yuan, Ming, Qing dynasties governed Tibet was never the same way the communists have done in the past, who are responsible to tens of millions of deaths of Han Chinese. Dalai Lama wants the religious freedom their people deserve and we Han Chinese deserve the same freedom. Stop barking for the Communist regime.

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I believe does not give the OK to Buddhist Monks to go on the rampage.  
 
A very fine Tibetan monk who I once knew, was asked often, what his opinion was of China's invasion of Tibet, his replies reflected that it was Tibet's karma,

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1-There are no evidence those rampages was done by 'monks'. 
 
2- There is no such a thing as collective Karma, furthermore no one is suppose to be punished for the sin of their fathers/

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1. How can you invade a tributary state you\'ve had in tow for 700 yrs? That is, you can you invade a part of your own country? 
2. Will you, Kathy, say the same thing about America? where human rights violations are now part and parcel of all gov\'t workings. 
3. China never had tributary rights over Korea or Vietnam. America invaded both countries and fucked up, royally. 
4. You need to read your history. I know this is difficult for Americans, but try. It\'s chilling. 
5. The Dalai Lamas were taskmasters, they owned slaves, they stole the boy babies of the people and made them monks (thus creating a horrid decline in population), they forever explain away other people\'s plight by saying \"it\'s your Karma\": the old fart did it with Katrina. 
6. For the past several yrs, the DL and the Chinese gov\'t have had continued talks concerning the DL\'s return to Lhasa and many concessions had already been gotten; however, then there was yet another US move to destabilize the country. 
7. The DL remained in Tibet for 8 yrs after the initial re-entry by Mao in 1951--and then, due to a mighty failed US intervention (secret) and the DL\'s being a lackey of the CIA, the DL had to flee in 1959 because he was part of the plot of violence and rapine. 
9. Try reading my other article on Tibet/China. 
10. Have you figured out that the Republicans call their part of the US, Red State America? Forgotten that all totalitarian Communist states are called RED? 
11. Nobody's excusing China's behavior per se; people are saying that there's hypocrisy on the part of the West and blind ignorance and delusion when it comes to the DL.

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This article is PURE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA!! How much did Red China pay you to write this crap, or have you been brainwashed and do it for free? 
 
Everyone knows that all Chinese people are MURDERERS and have slaughtered MILLIONS of innocent Tibetans in their death camps. Anyone who sympathizes with the Chinese should be punished. 
 
Why are our troops in Iraq when poor innocent Tibetans clearly need us more? We need to liberate all of China, including Tibet, and reverse the brainwashing of the Chinese public. Otherwise they will only perpetuate genocide. 
 
FREE TIBET!!!

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CHINA: Past victim of and future threat

You stated "Anyone who sympathizes with the Chinese should be punished." Thats pretty fascistic of you. if there is any power on earth that is truly worthy of being confronted it is those powers that destroyed China thru Opium, funded Mao, empowered genocide in China and Tibet all the while they enslaved a majority of the world. they mercilessly and brutally caused millions of deaths in India and they are still riding high on the hog siphoning the world's resources. 
They are also the prime movers behind the Dalai lama scam. It is the powers based in London formerly known as the British Empire. Pls read 
http://www.rense.com/general81/zec.htm 
http://www.rense.com/general75/wrus.htm 
So while there is truth to China's belligerance, it is nothing compared to the machinations of the British based power brokers.

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SoccerMom1960

Hello Soccermom1960, 
 
Please don't be so blatantly ignorant and pumped up by Chinese bashing western media. You said,"everyone knows that all Chinese people are murderers". Really? All? I did not know that. Your statement is such a prime example of how Americans are brainwashed by their own media. Where did you hear that "ALL chinese are murderers". Yes, "Free Tibet!" From what? If world peace and human right's were really the issue, then you would realize that arguing over Countries and Borders is exactly what starts wars and creates violence. Maybe you should shout. "Stop judging, don't take sides and lets hope China and Tibet work it out!" or better yet, "I'm a soccer mom/sheep in america that should mind my own business." 
 
Peace.

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I\'m all for background information to a current event but this is more an opinion piece. There is some interesting information but it seems mostly a distortion to suit the underlying argument - that the Dalai Lama is a hypocrite. For examply, it\'s my understanding that the DL\'s watch was a gift from a world leader (can\'t remember who). And as for the questions about his sandals, glasses, Nobel prize money and CIA funding perhaps Mr Secor should find out the answers to those questions before he raises them to try and slur the DL. As for what kind of leader would run away from his people perhaps one who fears for his safety would be the answer. Maybe this is not the case but there is nothing in this article to suggest it is not. 
I recommend an article by Michael Parenti [www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html] which debunks the \'Shangri-La\' view many westeners have of Tibet but is more dispassionate and less weasely.

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2-\' There is no such a thing as collective Karma, furthermore no one is suppose to be punished for the sin of their fathers\' 
 
People are often punished for the sins of their fathers; for instance if the head of a wealthy family, wastes the family fortune, the families children suffer the consequence as much as the Father. Also Christianity believes, \"until the third generation\", so I do not know who says, \"...no one is suppose to be punished..\". 
 
I took the meaning of the monks Karma statement, as the collective results of many Karmas over many years. 
Ask him if you wish, his name is Geshe Acharya Thubten Loden, he wrote a few books.  
I also thought the first two paragraphs of this article explained Geshe La thoughts. 
Maybe it was crafty editing, but what saw on TV looked like pretty wild Tibetan monks. 
 
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SoccerMom1960

It seems that Matthew missed the sarcasm and satire nor understands the non-attachment of Buddhism, which would lead him to dispense with the watch because it's not necessary--at least, not a gold one. 
 
I quite enjoyed the Communist propaganda and "everyone knows" bullshit. Obviously, this person knows little history and nothing about Buddhism. 
 
It is not an opnion piece; it is well-founded in history. The sarcasm is pointed and intended to show up the LD's hypocrisy. I am a Buddhist and embarrassed as hell at this shameful man.

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My humor ,

'I am a Buddhist and embarrassed as hell at this shameful man.' 
 
Tut tut James, detach! 
 
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