JIMMY MASSEY: Mr. Harris –

RON HARRIS: I'm just telling you. I’ll bring you the article. That’s one article, and there is another one.

JIMMY MASSEY: No, no, no, Mr. Harris, where you had your information mistaken is it’s a six-year-old child, and what I used to say is -- this is how I would rebuttle Lieutenant Shea and Captain Schmidt -- I would say, “How is a six-year-old child with a bullet hole in its head a terrorist?” It’s a rhetorical question. You took that out of context, Mr. Harris.

RON HARRIS: No, no, no, sir, this is a quote from a newspaper in Florida in which you were on a tour and you were on a tour bus and you said – here it is right here: “Former Marine sergeant, Jimmy Massey, was part of the invasion in Iraq in January of 2003, but he was sent home after five months of service for voicing his distaste of the shootings of Iraqi civilians,” quote. “‘We are just calling everybody terrorists,’ he said. Massey said he saw a four-year-old Iraqi girl with a bullet hole in her head.” I didn't make that up. I don't even know anything about that, sir, and as for your statement that –

JIMMY MASSEY: Well, that is a misprint in the newspaper.

RON HARRIS: It’s a misprint in the newspaper. Now, you’ve said that twice. That's just one occasion.

JIMMY MASSEY: Now, what I do remember saying, though, is that a six-year-old – “How is a six-year-old child with a bullet hole in its head a terrorist?” That is what I remember saying.

RON HARRIS: You said that. But you said that in Cornell University in March, and you said, “How is a six-year-old girl with a bullet hole” –

JIMMY MASSEY: And that is a question that I used to ask to Lieutenant Shea and to Captain Schmidt.

RON HARRIS: You said, “How is a six-year-old girl with a bullet in his head a terrorist? Because that is the youngest I killed.”

JIMMY MASSEY: That is the youngest that we killed, meaning the battalion.

RON HARRIS: Then during a speech in April, you know, you were quoted saying, “That’s war: A six-year-old girl with a bullet hole in her head at an American checkpoint.” Then turned around in Syracuse in March, you turn and you said, “The reason the Marines teach you discipline is so that you can confront the enemy and kill him or put a bullet into a six-year-old girl” –

JIMMY MASSEY: Well, let me ask you this, Mr. Harris. Since you know so much about the Marine Corps, can you tell me the mission of the Marine Corps? What is the mission of the Marine Corps, sir? It’s to locate and dispose with –

AMY GOODMAN: Alright, let's do this one at a time.

RON HARRIS: -- also, “You can put a bullet into a six-year-old, which is what I did.” I wouldn't have a clue about what Jimmy Massey claimed or said he did about four-year-old girls or six-year-old girls or six-year-old boys unless he had made those claims somewhere else, because I don't follow Jimmy Massey around. I didn't have a clue about any of this until we were preparing to go back to Iraq and a person in my newspaper said, “You know, you should look into this Jimmy Massey guy, because he is making all of these claims.”

JIMMY MASSEY: Let me ask you this, Mr. Harris, what type of ammunition does a 50-caliber machine gun use in a CAT platoon?

RON HARRIS: I would think it would use 50-caliber machine guns.

JIMMY MASSEY: Okay. And what type of ammunition is used? 50-caliber, right? What type? What type of ammunition?

RON HARRIS: I have not a clue.

JIMMY MASSEY: Armor-piercing incendiary depleted uranium rounds.

RON HARRIS: What does that have to do with anything?

JIMMY MASSEY: What that has to do with, you reported several times from Lieutenant Colonel Belcher that you heard secondary explosions in your report.

RON HARRIS: I never said that.

JIMMY MASSEY: Yes, you did. I'm asking you how is – and why didn't you, when we were talking about weapons of mass destruction, why didn't you report that the depleted uranium rounds were being used, when we were supposed to be, in fact, looking for weapons of mass destruction, which your report in Salman Pak was totally incorrect. You made it sound like that we found tons of supplies of chemical ammunitions, which was totally untrue. If that was true, then we could have ended the war right there and said that we found weapons of mass destruction.

RON HARRIS: Whoa, whoa, I never reported –

AMY GOODMAN: Alright, let's get an answer. Ron Harris.

RON HARRIS: I never reported that we found tons of chemical weapons in Salman Pak.

JIMMY MASSEY: You reported that we found laboratories where supposed chemical munitions were being manufactured at Salman Pak.

RON HARRIS: I can pull that story up, if you want, but --

JIMMY MASSEY: Yeah, I’ve got the story right here, Mr. Harris.

RON HARRIS: If that's what the Marine Corps reported, then that's what we reported.

JIMMY MASSEY: Oh, wait a minute. So you’re saying you report what the Marine Corps reports?

RON HARRIS: Let's get clear on something, Jimmy.

JIMMY MASSEY: So you mean to tell me – no, no, no, explain to me, how does the briefing actually take place? When you sit down with Lieutenant Colonel Belcher and the major and the X.O. and the gunner of the battalion, what do they tell you prior to you going into an area? Because I'll tell you what, you were never present at any of the times when the civilian casualties and the shootings took place. The only time you showed up, sir, was afterwards, and then you were briefed. And then you were briefed by other Marines.

AMY GOODMAN: Jimmy, let's let Ron Harris respond.

RON HARRIS: Number one, that’s not true. It is not true, number one, that we were not present at those incidents.

JIMMY MASSEY: Where were you at, sir? At the Rashid compound, where were you at?

RON HARRIS: Can I finish? In fact, that’s why we have the photographs of the civilians who got shot.

JIMMY MASSEY: You have – where are they at, sir? In the Rashid compound, you have pictures?

RON HARRIS: Can I finish? Can I finish? We shot photographs and were there when the Marines shot those women in that car. The one where you claim the four-year-old kid got killed. That didn't happen.

JIMMY MASSEY: And once again, the four-year-old child was hearsay from other Marines, and I did note that in the book.