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By Gideon Polya   

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Swiss Scientists Doubt Bush Official VersionImage

Two Swiss scientists, Professors Daniele Ganser and Albert A. Stahel of the University of Zurich, reported in the largest Swiss newspaper, "Blick", have seriously questioned the "official Bush version" of what happened on 9/11 (see: - "Je mehr wir forschen, desto mehr zweifeln wir".

Of course Scholars for 9/11 and many other rational, eminent and technically expert people also have profound scepticism about the Bush version.  Indeed the "penny has dropped" for even the long-suffering American people aka "mushrooms" (kept in the dark and fed manure) – recent polls indicate that one third of Americans believe that the US Government was involved (e.g. see:  "More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll".

Professor Ganser: "3,000 humans were sacrificed for strategic interests. The more we explore, the more we doubt the Bush version. It is conceivable that the Bush government was responsible. Bush has lied so much already! And we already know that the US government planned an operation in 1962 that was approved by the Pentagon that would have sacrificed innocent US citizens for the government's own interests …We only ask questions."

To quote Professors Ganser and Stahel on their  3 hypotheses: "There are three theories, which we should treat equally:
1. "Surprise theory" - Bin Laden and Al Qaeda implemented the attacks.

2. "Let it happen on purpose" - The US Government knew the Al Qaeda plans and did not react in order to legitimize a series of wars.

3. "Made it happen on purpose" - The attacks were actually planned and orchestrated by the Pentagon and/or US secret services."


How do these 3 hypotheses about the 9/11 atrocity stack up?

#1. A former  top German Government Minister Von Buelow suggests US was involved in 9/11 (see: here)  and a former Russian military and intelligence chief, former head of the Russian military General Ivashov suggests that Western interests were behind 9/11.

These highly-placed European experts rejected "the men in caves" hypothesis as utterly implausible because the 9/11 operation needed the resources of a major state intelligence operation operating within the US. The only real candidates are accordingly the CIA and Israeli Mossad. 

#2. According to the New York Post quoting a 2007 poll, two thrids of Americans believe that the US Government was passively complicit in the 9/11 atrocity and that the  Bush Government allowed 9/11 to happen (just as the US Government is now generally believed by most Japanese scholars to have known about the impending Pearl Harbor attack and deliberately allowed it to happen). 

Even US Establishment figure Al Gore blames the Bush Administration for 9/11. Thus former Vice President Al Gore in his recent book "The Assault on Reason" (Chapter 6, National Insecurity, pp178-179), while dismissing the widely-held hypothesis of deliberate passive complicity of the Bush Administration in 9/11, condemns the Bush Administration for effective passive complicity in the 9/11 atrocity i.e. they let it happen, just as a fore-warned US Administration permitted the Pearl Harbor attack to happen in 1941:

"Their behaviour, in my opinion, was reckless, but the explanation for it lies in hubris, not in some bizarre conspiracy theory …These affirmative and repeated refusals to listen to clear warnings [prior to 9/11] constitute behaviour that goes beyond simple negligence. At a minimum, it represents a reckless disregard for the safety of the American people."

#3. Former  7-year president of Italy, law professor, senator for life, Western "Gladio" terrorist group intimate and  Western intelligence intimate Francesco Cossigo, in an interview with one of Italy's top newspapers, Corriere della Sera,  in November 2007, declared that the CIA and Israeli Mossad were responsible for 9/11; that they had done it to further US and Zionist interests; and that major Western intelligence agencies were aware of this (see MWC News).

Of course in relation to ALL three hypotheses, "Al Qaeda" and their Islamist Mujahadeen associates were funded, supported and backed by the US and its Saudi surrogates for a dozen years in the 1980s in Afghanistan and up to the middle 1990s in the Balkans (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda ). Indeed, given the enormous strategic and political benefits to the American Empire and Apartheid Israel from Muslim-origin non-state terrorism it is highly likely that such terrorists are still variously supported by US or Israeli state terrorists throughout the world. Thus the Gladio terrorist organization with which Francesco Cossiga was linked  performed  terrorist outrages for which "state enemies" such as Communists would be held responsible. Indeed in Philip Agee's "Inside the Company. CIA Diary" (Penguin, London, 1975) the author describes how his CIA colleagues ran a terrorist group in Ecuador in the 1970s who went around bombing Catholic Churches so that the Communists or Socialists would be blamed. Such state-sanctioned atrocities are clearly being conducted in a huge scale in Occupied Iraq (see "US, UK and Israel behind Iraq Mosque Bombing?" on MWC News).

On whom would you place greater weight? One of the most eminent Western European statesmen and former Italian president Francesco Cossiga? Top German and Russian intelligence intimates?  The Scholars for 9/11 and other decent citizens attempting to address the 9/11 atrocity scientifically? Or the Bush Administration that told 935 lies about Iraq between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq (as reported by conservative media).

In assessing the 3 hypotheses of Professors Ganser and Stahel one should also consider the "Means, Opportunity and Motive" – the intelligence services of the US and its surrogate Israel certainly had the technical Means; they had the Opportunity (through being there and through the well-documented and notoriously comprehensive "switching off" of US air and intelligence defences); and they had the Motive (the security of Israel as a violent,  anti-Arab anti-Semitic, imperialist, colonialist , anti-peace, rogue state increased with the devastation and massive depopulation of Occupied Iraq in an ongoing Iraqi Genocide; Bush America expanded a huge US- or US-surrogate-occupied Empire stretching – with several gaps – from Occupied Somalia to Occupied Afghanistan and US-bombed Waziristan in Pakistan).

We are still awaiting a proper judicial investigation of who did 9/11 – with hypothesis #3 of direct US and Israeli involvement the most compelling on present evidence. While we still don't know for sure who murdered 3,000 innocent Americans on 9/11 we do know who is responsible for the carnage of the Bush War on Terror (in horrible reality a War on Arab, Muslim, Asian and non-European Women and Children)  – in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories alone post-invasion excess deaths total 2 million and 3-7 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths total 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; and refugees total 4.5 million and 4 million, respectively (see MWC News).

However the domestic cost in the complicit Western Murdochracies is measured in money (e.g. the $3.5 trillion accrual cost to the US of the War on Terror that has "bankrupted" the US according to 2001 Economics Nobel Laureate Professor Joseph Stiglitz); the human cost of domestic excess deaths due to warped administration priorities (e.g. 160,000 under-5 year old American infants have died avoidably because of Bush war priorities); and immense civil rights and human rights abuses (the US Patriot Act and related Nazi-style "anti-Terrorism" laws in other Western Murdochracies).

What can Americans, Australians, Canadians, Britishers and indeed the citizens of other complicit Western Murdochracies do about do about the racist Zionist and Bush-ite trashing of our wealth, our health, our liberties, our institutions and our very reputations?

Jewish-American investor, philanthropist,  and Holocaust survivor George Soros has demanded the "de-Nazification" of Bush America (see: MWC News). However America and the other Western Murdochracies must also remove the lying, traitorous, racist, anti-Arab anti-Semitic Zionists from their current domination of Western political life  with their obscenely false "terror hysteria" (see MWC News) just as weight of considered public opinion has removed other racist, Nazi-style fanatics such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis and the KKK from Western public life.

The likelihood that the Zionists and Bush administeration were actually responsible for the execution of the 9/11 atrocity (3,000 deaths) in addition to their clear involvement in its  horrendous aftermath (up to 9 million post-invasion violent and non-violent excess deaths in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories, the devastation of Muslim countries from Occupied Somalia to Waziristan in Pakistan and the moral and financial bankruptcy of America) should give added urgency to the need for scrupulously human rights-observant, judicial cleansing of  the Western democracies from the lying, racist and traitorous Zionist and Bush terrorists and mass murderers.

Dr Gideon Polya,  MWC News Chief political editor, published some 130 works in a 4 decade scientific career, most recently a huge pharmacological reference text "Biochemical Targets of Plant Bioactive Compounds" (CRC Press/Taylor & Francis, New York & London, 2003), and is currently writing a book on global mortality ---
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1. 03-06-2008 17:24
a chocolate covered truther does make it
I guess asking for one piece of proof - one eye witness i.e. conspirator is too much to ask for in today's heated environment. Let us put these wee discrepancies aside and focus on the War on Terror and Freedom. there are mountains of data from NIST and Seffen at Cambridge clearly explaining the cause and effect of the events. If we all pull together we can help out our President and just maybe be even as half as succesful as our War on Drugs. Wake up people!!
Guest
2. 03-06-2008 18:06
OKAY
Yes, let's look at the NIST report, and take that as truth. Fantastic, the laws of physics do not exist anymore, as for it to have happened like the NIST report, several fundamental laws of physics had to be broken, the most important of which is Conservation of Momentum google it, please. 
 
Beyond that, the NIST report OMITS completely building number 7, the first steel framed building in the history of civilization to collapse due to fire damage. Various like buildings have burned before and after, yet only building #7 collapsed. 
 
Lets also look at how the people that WROTE THE DAMN REPORT have said they were stonewalled by the CIA and the NIST report is a whitewash, the people that made the report have said this in the media. 
 
Lets also take a look at the fact that the Afghan invasion plan was sitting on Bush\\\'s desk LONG BEFORE 9/11. 
 
Lets also look at the unprecedented stand downs at Norad. Lets look at the fact that Norman Minetta testified to the fact that Cheney was in the command bunker, being briefed about the plane approaching the pentagon, and when it was 10 miles out, he was asked if the order still stands, to which he promptly craned his neck and said \\\"Of course it does, have you heard anything to the contrary?\\\"  
 
Oh you want witnesses? how about the witnesses NOT ALLOWED to testify at the hearings. How about the many firefighters, cops, medics, civillians that saw and heard explosions in the building prior to, during, and after the attacks. Again, all of this is there for you to research, but alas, you are a government shill, and will never take the time to research like the rest of us. 
 
Heaven forbid we ask for the fucking truth. Heaven forbid we exercise our right of freedom of thought and expression. Heaven forbid we watch our governments with a close eye, prepared to overthrow them when they stop working at the will of the people. 
 
You sir are an idiot, and all the research in the world can not help your little whitewashed brain unlearn all the half truths and falsehoods your belief system is built upon. 
 
I was like you, until someone challenged me to research it, which I did. Anyone that does will come to the same conclusions. 
 
something was up with the wtc collapse, as many structural engineers will tell you, every \\\'official\\\' account goes against the basic laws of physics. Which is fine, they don\\\'t really teach that in the US anymore anyways. 
 
Yes, we\\\'re the problem, the people asking for truth, and demanding an end to the unjust wars of aggression being fought in our names, with our money. 
 
Let us never allow room for outrageous conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks. 
 
Well, the official story is a conspiracy, as it has 2 or more people conspiring to commit a crime. 
 
The NIST report is a conspiracy, as they cherry picked evidence to support their theory and ignored evidence to the contrary. 
 
nothing to hide, support the president? 
 
why did they sell all the WTC steel to china at a HUGE LOSS before any real investigation took place? 
 
Why have they found traces of thermate, and compound consisting of thermite and sulfur, at the WTC, when it\\\'s only purpose is to cut steel like a hot knife in butter? 
 
What about the core columns that were at perfect 45% angles at ground zero, with the telltale melting at the cut point to indicate the use of thermate? 
 
Why was ground zero \\\'hot\\\' for months after the attacks? (infrared sat images can be found to show this) 
 
Why were they running drills of commercial jets being hijacked and flown into the WTC and pentagon (as well as the capitol building and the white house) at the EXACT moments the real attacks happens? Same as the london 7/7 bombings, pretty scary \\\'coincidences\\\' 
 
Better yet, maybe someone can explain to me how jet fuel (mostly kerosene) that has a max burning temp of 1200 degrees, which all burnt off in the first few seconds in those huge fireballs, that then created office fires, how that melted steel certified to withstand 3000 degree tempuratures for several hours before any structural failure could occur? 
 
So those office fires were 3000 degrees then, ok, fine, explain the pictures and video of the people STANDING IN THE HOLES made by the planes, waving for help? Shouldn\\\'t they be burnt like cinders? 
 
How about willy brown\\\'s warning not to fly to new your that day? What about guliani\\\'s advanced warning of the collapse? 
 
What about bush sitting dumbstruck in that classroom while world war three could be starting, for 10 minutes, like a retarded dog unable to sniff it\\\'s own ass. 
 
Yes, we\\\'re all crazy nutz for believing in science, not what Bush decides to make up. 
 
I hope that you fully understand the end game they are working towards, and let me tell you now, you will NOT be invited to the table, you will be fodder. 
 
I for one didn\\\'t sign on to fulfill biblical prophecy, and that\\\'s just what the Bush administration seems hell bent on doing. 
 
Why did the Israelis who worked at the WTC get a text message the night before telling them not to go into work? 
 
What about operation northwoods? They planned this bullshit in the 60s, and waited til now to try it. 
 
No matter what you believe, if you are against full disclosure, and an unbiased OPEN investigation, you are part of the problem, and as far as I\\\'m concerned, have forfeited your rights as a human being, you are an enemy combatant, see how much fun that is my friend, I truly hope you get to find out.
Guest
3. 03-06-2008 18:52
911 coverup
Griffin presents the psychological aspect why people settle for beliefs. He calls it paradigmatic thinking - difficulty accepting evidence which contradicts their world view. The assumption that the U.S. is the Mother Theresa of the world and that America is all about truth. For those who accept this fairy tale no amount of evidence will influence their conclusions.
Guest
4. 03-06-2008 19:19
Alex Jones predicted 9/11
In July of 2001, Alex Jones predicted on-air that a rogue element of our government would stage a terror event and blame it on someone like Osama Bin Laden. 
 
Here's the 2 minute video: 
Click Here to Watch.
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Cecil Green
5. 03-06-2008 19:20
Alex Jones predicted 9/11
Whoa OKAY - put it back in your pants - you must have spent all day cut and pasting from cropcircles R us - very impressive - but I guess I was not clear enough - Proof sir - and note I do call you down as the alien abductee you probalby were last year. Not one item you noted was not a small detail misinterpeted or reported by swamp gas witnesses. Reap the whirlwind clown - join the Pepsi generation
Guest
6. 03-06-2008 19:23
We can't "move on" from 9/11
We can't, won't, and musn't ever "move on" from 9/11. It all sinks or swims from there. If what our eyes told most of US is true, and the obvious fact that buildings can't fall so perfectly into their own footprints without extra explosive energy to compromise the base structure is fact, then we must never let them get away with this for a second. War on Terror!?! Better worry more about our own country going down to the oblivion of a coup de` tat. This ain't going to go away, and we shouldn't let Bush and his fellow criminals get away with it. Prison is the posterity for Bush. Time for dillegence America.
Guest
7. 03-06-2008 19:28
Had to be alot more than Thermite
Israel took part in designing and the new technolody for the Bunker busting bomb. Minature versions were developed and used by CIA/MOSSAD in WTC 1&2. WTC 7 was not part of the plan,however it had to be brought down due the pending Enron court hearings to which all the Files were housed in WTC7. Due to lack of these buster bombs, normal demo charges were used. 
We all no what happens if anyone exposes the turth--Bye-Bye :cry :cry
Guest
8. 03-06-2008 19:31
looney tunes
my god - how many unemployable of you are out there? Why has Area 51 been left out - are the Templars involved.  
 
Legalize Reality chaps!
Guest
9. 03-06-2008 20:04
looney tunes
Wow C Pringle, either you are fooling around or actually have proof that Osama and 19 Arab terrorist managed to pull off 911. Even the official conspiracy theory provides no proof, just a torture confession from Khalid which is worthless. What is amusing is how gullible Americans are. The former President of France Cossigo recently stated that it is common knowledge in the intelligence industry that 911 was an inside job which required the technology and intelligence of inside information to set up such a massive event. Even the FBI has stated they have no evidence to support the official conspiracy theory that Osama was the mastermind or in any way related to 911.
Guest
10. 03-06-2008 20:11
looney tunes
Just a word of advice: Try to avoid emotionally charged words like "murdochracy". They only serve to make you look like a raving lunatic. 
 
In fact, had it not been for your ranting, emotionally charged prose, this might have even made for a decent piece of journalism. 
 
As it is, facts or not, I cannot take you or what you say seriously.
Guest
11. 03-06-2008 20:47
Directed Energy Weapon 911 WTC
I believe that many different technologies were used to bring down the WTC on 911. Directed energy weapons were almost certainly used in conjunction with shaped charges to direct the demolition downward and inward as well as thermate or thermite. 
 
I believe the aircraft strikes on the buildings were what could have only been done with precise remote controls, and that the Pentagon strike was not a commercial airliner, perhaps as some suggest on google.com videos and youtube.com, etc ..., there were no planes at all, only explosions and perhaps the second plane was a cleverly pimped military special ops jet. 
 
We'll never know, all the media are complicit in dissiminating false information and in my opinion many are guilty of felony violations of the USA Patriot Act as a result of their dissimination of false information about terrorism, continuing dissimination of fasle information.
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studioviols@yahoo.comNOSPAM! ">PatriotAct
12. 03-06-2008 21:21
Media, Murdochracy & 9/11 lying
Professors Ganser and Stahel have merely proposed three sensible SCIENTIFIC (i.e potentially falsifiable) hypotheses about who was responsible for the 9/11 atrocity, specifically (a) men in caves (remember the Nazi lie about who did the Reichstag fire that was used to justify anti-terror laws) , (b) passive US complicity (now recognized by most Japanese scholars, I am informed, in relation to Pearl Harbor i.e. they deliberately let it happen) and (c) US (the most obvious hypothesis on an Ockham\'s Razor (simplest hypothesis) principle and the US has awfully long track record of complicity in terrorism at home and abroad). 
 
Yet it has elicited extraordinary anti-scientific hysteria here from people who evidently believe the utterly implausible \"men in caves\" \"official Bush version\" put out by an egregiously dishonest and violent Bush Administration that has been shown to have told 935 lies about Iraq alone between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq (see: News.com: George W Bush, White House told 935 lies after September 11). 
 
People who scream down sensible, alternative hypotheses as \"conspiracy\" are party to anti-scientific Mainstream media and politician cover-up in relation to 9/11. 
 
People who help cover up a criminal act (e.g. a robbery) go to jail as accessories - how then should we regard people who gratuitously help to cover up a mass murder atrocity such as 9/11 by rejecting scientific analysis? 
 
The term \"Murdochracy\" is apt. Just as racist Apartheid Israel (whose Mossad did 9/11 with the US CIA according to former Italian Presdident Cossiga) is a race-based \"ethnocracy\" and Iran is a religion-dominated \"theocracy\", it is blatantly obvious that the Western \"democracies\" are heavily dominated by quasi-monopoly Mainstream media conglomerates, notably the Murdoch Empire - and hence the term \"Murdochracy\", a democracy in which one-man-one-vote is grossly perverted by mainstream media bias, manipulation and censorship. 
 
By way of example, \"The Australian\" is the Murdoch Empire national newspaper in Australia - but a Google search for the phrase \"The Australian\" and the words albert and stahel yields NO articles about Albert Stahel in this newspaper; a similar Google search for the phrase \"The Times\" (the leading Murdoch Empire British newspaper) and the words albert and stahel yields zero articles from \"The Times\"; however Google searches for these phrases coupled with the words david and irving (David Irving was jailed in Austria for flouting Holocaust denial laws) yields 34,000 URLs and 84,000 URLs, respectively. 
 
Murdochracy indeed.
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gpolya@bigpond.comNOSPAM! ">Dr Gideon Polya
13. 03-06-2008 23:59
Troubled Texan Blog
Howdy Folks. 
 
So Two Swiss scientists, Professors Daniele Ganser and Albert A. Stahel of the University of Zurich, reported in the largest Swiss newspaper, "Blick", have seriously questioned the "official Bush version" of what happened on 9/11. 
 
I do appreciate the Swiss Scientists questioning the "official Bush version". 
 
I have to ask. How many professionals, scientists, politicians, everyday Americans, does it take to get a non-partisan investigation of 9/11? 
 
Troubled
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dougavin@netscape.netNOSPAM! ">Troubled Texan
14. 04-06-2008 00:05
Troubled Texan Blog
Quote:
 
I have to ask. How many professionals, scientists, politicians, everyday Americans, does it take to get a non-partisan investigation of 9/11?

 
 
Excellent question. 
Thanks
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Shahram
15. 04-06-2008 00:11
Troubled Texan Blog
Howdy Folks.  
 
So Two Swiss scientists, Professors Daniele Ganser and Albert A. Stahel of the University of Zurich, reported in the largest Swiss newspaper, "Blick", have seriously questioned the "official Bush version" of what happened on 9/11.  
 
I do appreciate the Swiss Scientists questioning the "official Bush version".  
 
I have to ask. How many professionals, scientists, politicians, everyday Americans, does it take to get a non-partisan investigation of 9/11? 
 
Sorry Folks, 
 
I screwed-up the link to my blog on the first post. 
 
Troubled
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dougavin@netscape.netNOSPAM! ">Troubled Texan
16. 04-06-2008 00:12
Wake up america
One gets the impression that the rest of the world knew since 9/12/2001 that the destruction of the twin towers was an inside job. 
 
Unfortunately the red white and duh morons will always be the born single digit IQ idiots that they are who believe the flintstones are a real family and believe exactly what their ziojew terrorist government tells them.
Guest
17. 04-06-2008 08:16
Wake up america
Enough time has passed and enough EVIDENCE mounted to prove that the Israeli MOSSAD along with our CIA staged 911 to further wars and profits at the cost of American lives. see realnews247.com http://nogw.com and whatreallyhappened.com for just a few of what's out there.
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skankthumper1ab@yahoo.comNOSPAM! ">Larry Lawson
18. 04-06-2008 08:29
Wake up america
Simply consider those 5 celebrating Israeli spies seen on the top of their van at a vantage park, prepared right on time, with camera trained on the WTC to record the event as it happened. From their reported van registration number, they were apprehended later, in the afternoon and questioned for many weeks by CIA. Eventually they were quietly released back to Israel where they were welcomed as heroes. All related information gathered was immediately classified, NEVER to be released. Knowing the exact time and place, without disclosure makes them at least responsible for around 3,000 murders on US soil. Releasing them, thoroughly implicates US Administration. Fact.
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Logician
19. 04-06-2008 10:11
Wake up America - oust Zionists
Wake up America indeed.  
 
In addition to the 5 \"9/11 celebrating Israelis\" the Apartheid Israelis involved in the cowardly attack on the defenceless USS Liberty in international waters in June 1967 (34 US servicemen killed, 173 wounded, the second deadliest attack on a US naval vessel since the end of World War 2) should ALSO be extradited 
for trial. 
 
Indeed what has been missing in the aftermath of the immense 9/11 atrocity is ANY proper judicial process of arraignment and trial of those involved. 
 
Trial of the 5 \"9/11 celebrating Israelis\" would be a vital first step for such proper judicial examination of what actually happened on 9/11. 
 
Unfortunately neither the 5 \"9/11 celebrating Israelis\" nor the Apartheid Israelis responsible for the murder of 34 USS Liberty servicemen will see trial in the US or anywhere else. 
 
And why not? Because lying, blackmailing, traitorous, racist Zionists have immense power in what has become the United States of Israel.  
 
The Apartheid Israel colonization of the Middle East has cost the US taxpayer about $3 TRILLION and the Zionist-promoted War on Terror against Iraq and Afghanistan a further $3.5 TRILLION accrual cost (notwithstanding the NON-involvement of any Iraqis or Afghans in the 9/11 atrocity according to the \"official liar Bush version\").  
 
According to 2001 US Economics Nobel Laureate Professor Joseph Stiglitz the accrual cost of the Iraq War alone ($3 TRILLION)has \"bankrupted\" the US (see: Award winning economist says America has bankrupted itself with the Iraq war ). 
 
The evil, traitorous , racist Zionist (RZ) lobby has a primary allegiance to a nuclear terrorist, war criminal rogue state Apartheid Israel - together they have trashed America\'s wealth, health and international reputation. 
 
And America has yet to pay the reparations bill for the 4 million Iraqis who have died (1990-2008) and up to 7 million Afghans who have died avoidably post-invasion in the interests of the Zionist Lobby, Apartheid Israel and the military-industrial-oil complex - at, say, $1 million per head, a reparations bill for $11 TRILLION. 
 
The core messages from the Jewish Holocaust (6 million dead, 1 in 6 from deprivation) and the World war 2 Holocaust in general (30 million Slav, Jewish and Roma victims) are \"zero tolerance for racism\" and \"never again to anyone\" - sacred injunctions daily violated by the Zionists, Bush-ites and neo-Bush-ites running the United States of Israel.  
 
Wake up America and exercise your democratic rights - the traitorous racist Zionists (RZs) and their racist Bush-ite supporters should be side-lined in US public life, just like the Nazis, the neo-Nazis and the KKK.  
 
Indeed outstanding Hungarian Jewish American investor, philanthropist, Holocaust hero and Holocaust survivor George Soros has called for independence of US foreign policy from that of the Israel Lobby and has called for the \"de-Nazification\" of Bush America (see: George Soros – Bush America needs de-Nazification ).
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gpolya@bigpond.comNOSPAM! ">Dr Gideon Polya
20. 04-06-2008 12:43
you see you are getting silly
OK- so the US got spanked on Sept 11 and there are some wee differences of opinions but the FACT is NO ONE has owned up to or squealed on anyone - WITH ACTUAL PHYSICAL PROOF - that is the litmus test of a theory versus a pausible explanation. As a retired person I know where I get my time to help with you teenage bloggers - but send prayers of thanks for having Mr. Bush as our Decider and Protector - now on to McCain!
Guest
21. 04-06-2008 13:21
ICC trials for Zionists, Bush-ites
There is no convincing evidence for \"alleged\" Muslim origin non-state terrorist involvement in the 9/11 atrocity - but PLENTY of hard evidence for US and Israeli complicity.  
 
Unfortunately the Bush Administration has seen fit not to see what evidence there is examined in a proper court of law in over 6 years e.g. the Saudis were spirited away on day +1 and ditto the 5 \"9/11 celebrating Israelis\".  
 
Of the 19 alleged \"Muslim\" perpetrators according to the \"Liar Bush Official Version\" 
none were Iraqis (why then kill 2 million Occupied Iraqis?) and none were Afghans (why kill 3-7 million Occupied Afghans?) - indeed half a dozen are apparently alive and well and victims of identity theft (see: Wikipedia on alleged 9/11 perpetrators). 
 
Whoever were responsible for 9/11 (3000 victims) it is indubitably clear that mass murdering Bush-ites, neo-Bush-ites and Zionists ( latterday Nazi-style genocidists ) are responsible for the Bush War on Terror, in actuality a horrendous, Zionist-backed War on Arab, Muslim, Asian and non-European Women and Children (from UN Population Division data, post-invasion under-5 infant deaths in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories total, so far, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively) (see:Palestinian, Iraqi, Afghan, Biofuel and Climate Genocides – Silence Kills and Silence is Complicity ). 
 
Avoidable deaths associated with post-1950 US Asian wars now total 25 million with over 50% being CHILDREN.  
 
No properly informed, decent Americans would dream of voting for mass murdering, racist religious right Republican (R4) Bush-ites ever again.  
 
And of course all those involved in the mass murder of children, whether asserted \"war hero\" McCain or war service-dodger Bush, are not just mass pedocides - they and those complicit in their awful crimes against Mother and Child are, in a word, YELLOW. 
 
"Clean" ICC trials are required for the Zionists and Bush-ites involved in the Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Genocides and very likely to be also responsible for the 9/11 atrocity. 
 
Because Bush America and Apartheid Israel consider themselves to be "special" and above International Law and the International Criminal Court (ICC), such trials should be held NOW in absentia.
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gpolya@bigpond.comNOSPAM! ">Dr Gideon Polya
22. 04-06-2008 13:31
ICC trials for Zionists, Bush-ites
Dr. Jones' peer reviewed letter sums it up nicely, if you don't believe your government was responsible for 911, it's official, you are an idiot.
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wallstreet13@yahoo.comNOSPAM! ">beijingyank
23. 05-06-2008 08:34
ICC trials for Zionists, Bush-ites
Molten Steel in 3 WTC collapses. 
 
All I want to see, at this time, is for just one of the few remaining Official Truthers to explain how this steel was melted and flowed for 17 weeks beneath those heaps. 
All else stems from that fact. What caused the steel to melt and remain so for such a time.? 
Come now, this is your golden opportunity to shine.
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Logician
24. 05-06-2008 08:50
Low temperature 9/11 fires too
Well said, Logician. One of many things in the "Liar Bush Official Version" that flies in the face of the physics and chemistry I have worked with as a scientist for 50 years. 
 
Indeed I remember my first high school chemistry lab lessons (when Ike was president) that showed us a low temperature smokey flame with a bunsen burner (e.g. as on 9/11, we've all seen the videos), a higher temperature yellow-red flame and finally a relatively high temperature blue flame - however to melt steel we have to go to an oxy-acetylene torch using oxygen and acetylene in high pressure cylinders.  
 
Of course there was very little OXYGEN left in the WTC buildings after a while (except in WTC7 which had scarcely any fires and was not hit any planes and yet Miraculously collapsed perfectly into its footprint) - Bush also wants us to believe in a Religious Right Republican Miracle of steel-melting fire without oxygen?
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gpolya@bigpond.comNOSPAM! ">Dr Gideon Polya
25. 05-06-2008 12:53
high school science as a basis for the t
Again we have the sophmoric sophistry of pseudo "scientists" spewing forth their HS theories. 
 
Read PROFESSOR Seffen detailed and rational account of the events - he is from Cambridge - for you Yanks that is a school that would be like MIT and Havard in one. Just go home and drink it off guys.
Guest
26. 05-06-2008 14:15
WTC7 free fall => explosive demolition
I have no idea who Seffen is or what he says about 9/11 - and of course who or what he is or says or where it can be sourced is not offered by the Bush Apologist who merely offers abusive sarcasm - the substance of Zionist-Bush-ites with which we are all unfortunately all too familiar in the United States of Israel. 
 
However I do know about Sir Isaac Newton, a father of mechanics and mathematics, and Fellow of the British Royal Society, who showed 4 centuries ago that that distance fallen s = 1/2a x t squared (s= distance, a = acceleration, t= time).  
 
Dr Frank Legge has shown that the collapse of WTC7 precisely fits this equation with a = 9.063 m/s squared, consistent with free fall against virtually no resistance i.e. for a 40 storey building, due to explosive demolition or divine intervention (see: 9/11 study proves explosive demolition
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gpolya@bigpond.comNOSPAM! ">Dr Gideon Polya
27. 05-06-2008 14:20
Trouble is....
One can read the various understandings of what happened at the Twin Towers by one academic or another, 
"my boffin's is better than yours". 
But go forward a tab, WMDs, an invention of the US administration, a weak and pathetic excuse to plunder and destroy Iraq. 
With all that spy satellite equipment up in the sky, you could not move a shopping trolley into the desert at night without it being spotted. 
The technology for spotting underground bunkers has been around for decades. 
So what has this to do with 9/11? The trouble is  
the same mob, that would have us all to believe a deliberate lie like WMDs, would have us believe their account of 9/11. A very unreliable witness indeed, me thinks. 
 
Mike
Registered
28. 07-06-2008 06:47
Trouble is....
Mike Keenor, 
 
I agree with all you write about boffin play and reasons why an attack on US was essential, to allow a President to declare war, no matter what the circumstances and untruths needed to do so. Yet another war is in he offing, with Iran. When will the people take back control and stop this lunacy?  
 
Since day one, I have firmly believed that 9/11 was self inflicted with required wars in mind. I have avoided rubbibg boffins together, preferring to ask the simple questions I continually ask, regarding molten steel and the 5 celebrating Israeli spies. These are facts which \\\"Official Truthers\\\" CANNOT or WILL not answer. Indisputable facts which demand answers before further required steps are taken.  
 
There was no normally expected material present in those buildings which could possibly burnt at anywhere near the temperature required to MELT STEEL.  
 
I once again leave my offer open.
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Logician
29. 10-06-2008 12:30
Evil
Logician, 
If the US administration was involved in some way with 9/11, as many believe. Then the world has in its midst a place of unspeakable evil. 
I believe if these dark thought are correct. Then the US (administration), will reveal itself in some way or other,(yet again). 
Something like striking Iran, maybe by proxy, or Venezuela. 
And if so, the religious right will be waving 'Old Glory', there hearts full of 'American Pride', sadly misplaced.  
 
Mike
Registered
30. 16-06-2008 13:27
Evil
its being framed wrong.. Ive no doubt that elements of the Nonconservative movement are in on the it, but to say "the US" is behind it is silly.
Guest
31. 17-06-2008 06:51
Evil
Evil 
 
Lambert ... 
In this current context, if the US leadership is in any way involved in the 9/11 gross felony and the people don't rise up against them, then, yes it is does mean the US people as a whole. How much further proof is required before direct action is taken? At very least a thorough independent, unfettered investigation. Then the hanging.
Guest
32. 17-06-2008 09:58
Evil.
Lambert, 
I don't believe you are disagreeing with me. I pointed my finger at the US administration, on the premise of If
And made comment on the war hungry, religious right.
Registered
33. 17-06-2008 13:37
show me the proof
again we enter the X-Files - there is NO proof - Dr. Seffen at Cambridge has published a math model which explains the whole incident with SCIENCE. 
 
Life is to short to quibble about details - join the fite agaisnt Terror and Freedom!!
Guest
34. 17-06-2008 13:52
re=show me the proof
By Deductive reasoning 
 
"If you eliminate the impossible, what's left, regardless of how improbable, is the truth."
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Shahram
35. 18-06-2008 07:37
re=show me the proof
Show me the proof 
Lokis 
 
What does your Dr. Seffon have to say about the MOLTEN STEEL found beneath each 3 of the collapsed WTC buildings. How does he account for the steel having melted and remaining molten for up to 17 weeks? 
 
This is NOT a quibblibg issue. It is a MAIN KEY to the whole sordid 9/11 event. I have waited almost 7 years for a reply from ANYONE capable of proving that normal office and building materials MELTED that STEEL.  
 
Please do not mention Kerosene, the usual red herring raised by the profoundly and intentionally ignorant.  
 
Since it obviously wasn\\\'t any of the above materials, what is left? Don\\\'t be afraid to mention it. Then it is only necessary to decide who placed and triggered it. End of story.
Guest
36. 18-06-2008 13:03
put it back in your pants
Molten steel - never heard or read of this in any offical report - methinks we got another UFO sighting - these small discrepancies do not deflect the true story of Iraqi inspired Muslim fanatics from doing the crime - simple explanantion - as for the 'molten steel' - that sir is a classic Red Herring along with Pods on the plane - direct energy weapons etc - great stuff for Cussler but under any examination comes up empty.
Guest
37. 18-06-2008 15:29
put it back in your pants
Now theres a new one, never heard the US administration use that one,(inserted), for the invasion of Iraq. 
 
-these small discrepancies do not deflect the true story of Iraqi inspired Muslim fanatics from doing the crime - - 
 
I thought it was supposed to be a bunch of Saudis and Egyptians. Oh well one lives and learns! 
 
Mike
Registered
38. 18-06-2008 22:26
Israelis but NO No Iraqis, Afghans
Of the 19 "alleged" 9/11 perpetrators of the "Official lying Bush version") 15 were Saudi Arabians, 2 from the United Arab Emirates, 1 Lebanese and 1 Egyptian - NO Iraqis and NO Afghans were involved according to the "official version" (see: NO Iraqis or Afghan among "officially alleged" 9/11 perpetrators).  
 
Despite this "official version" allegation, the 9/11 atrocity (3,000 dead, probably due to US and Israeli state terrorists) was used to perpetrate the ongoing Iraqi Genocide (post-invasion excess deaths 2 million, post-invasion under-5 infant deaths 0.6 million, 4.5 million refugees) and Afghan Genocide (post-invasion excess deaths 3-7 million, post-invasion under-5 infant deaths 2.3 million, 4 million refugees (see: Palestinian, Iraqi, Afghan, Biofuel and Climate Genocides – Silence Kills and Silence is Complicity ).  
 
There is a long list of on-the-spot eye witness accounts for MOLTEN METAL at the WTC site - for a long list of reported eye witness accounts see: Workers Reported Molten Metal in Ground Zero Rubble .  
 
The presence of molten metal requires an energy source on 9/11 vastly greater than what was left of aviation fuel immediately after the planes allegedly hit the Twin Towers i.e. directly pointing to US state terrorist involvement (and likely Israeli state terrorist involvement as well - as indeed directly evidenced by the 5 Israeli Mossad spies caught celebrating the 9/11 atrocity on a New York roof top and then quickly removed from the US by the Bush Administration) (see: 9/11 - who really did it? 103 Suspected 9-11 Criminal Co-conspirators; Bush #1 on the list.) 
 
If Apartheid Israel WAS involved in the 9/11 atrocity (as asserted by former president Cossiga of Italy: Former Italian president Cossiga: US & Israel did 9/11 then it adds a further 3,000 9/11 victims and 4,500 dead US servicemen in the racist Zionist-backed War on Terror to the Americans killed by Zionists - that list includes the 34 US servicemen of the USS Liberty murdered in cold-blood by Apartheid Israel in 1967 and 50,000 Americans who have died since 2001 due to the Zionist-backed Bush restoration of the Taliban-destroyed Afghan opium industry from 5% of world market share (2001) to a current 93% of world market share.  
 
How many more AMERICANS are going to be killed by racist Zionist (RZ) terrorists?  
 
The traitorous Racist Zionists (RZs) with prime allegiance to a nuclear terrorist, rogue state Apartheid Israel should be removed from public life in the US - as have been the Nazis, neo-Nazis and KKK.
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gpolya@bigpond.comNOSPAM! ">Dr Gideon Polya
39. 19-06-2008 00:19
Israelis but NO No Iraqis, Afghans
Put it back in YOUR pants, Lokis. 
 
OF COURSE there is no mention of MOLTEN STEEL in any official report. That is the whole issue. If it was admitted officially, those officials would be bound to explain it. They cannot explain it without implicating themselves. This is precisely why THIS IS A MAJOR KEY to the whole sordid affair.  
 
Google:- MOLTEN STEEL WTC 9/11. Open your eyes and watch the pix. Listen to on-the-spot observers. 
 
It is time you to give up reading those official fantasies and join the real, rational, physical world.
Guest
40. 19-06-2008 12:28
PROOF??
I am sorry but I guess my definition of 'proof' differs from yours and your minions. I can appreciate your delusions but prefer my own. 
How about one real university - from the states even that would dispute the Cambridge findings? Just one - and not some retired theologian with a bent for profile - doesn't exist my friends - get jobs - do your part on the War on Terror and Freedom and then we can sit down and share a chuckle over this wee dispute.
Guest
41. 19-06-2008 13:17
Justice, 9/11 & Science vs Spin
Lokis (post#40) simply does not understand basic Popperian scientific method which is about dis-proving potentially falsifiable hypotheses. 
 
On the other hand, anti-science spin - brought to a pinnacle by the evil Bush-ites and Zionists - is the opposite, involving selective use of asserted facts to support a partisan position. 
 
The "official - lying Bush-ite and Zionist - version of 9/11" doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny (see Scholars for 9/11 truth). 
 
I\'m not holding my breath, but when Obama wins and there is some improvement in US public life and a return to some public accountability - As opposed to the nearly 8 years of racist Zionist- and Bush-ite-demanded suspension of reason - then there will be a much greater chance that more of what actually happened on 9/11 will emerge.  
 
Certainly the very least America and the world must demand is what eminent American International law Professor Richard Falk (Princeton) has demanded - a proper public, transparent scientific and judicial investigation of what happened on 9/11 to test each of the 3 hypotheses advanced by the Swiss professors - and indeed other hypotheses.  
 
That this has NOT happened yet is appalling testimony in itself to the lying evil of the Bush Administration and its traitorous Zionist and Bush-ite supporters. 
 
Those Bush-ites and Zionists who continue to censor, obfuscate, propagandize, and lie about 9/11 and obstruct attempts to get at the truth deserve utter public contempt.  
 
One can well understand why outstanding American investor, philanthropist and Holocaust survivor George Soros has demanded the \"de-Nazification\" of Bush America (see: George Soros – Bush America needs de-Nazification).  
 
This is what top British MP Michael Meacher (former Minister in the Blair Government i.e. former \"insider\") said recently (see: This War on Terrorism is Bogus)that the US was clearly COMPLICIT in 9/11 (as the US was pre-warned and permitted Pearl Harbor\" and concluded \"The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the “global war on terrorism” has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda – the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project.\"
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gpolya@bigpond.comNOSPAM! ">Dr Gideon Polya
42. 20-06-2008 09:33
Justice, 9/11 & Science vs Spin
Proof?? 
Lokis ... 
 
Must I remind you of the millions who have died in US invasions since 9/11? How frivolous is that as a subject to be so lightly dismissed. Stay with this key subject. Read what Google suggests and return with a result. What melted that steel? As simple as that. 
 
If you managed to reach it, what was the material videoed flowing from the corner of the WTC Tower, just below the damage level? It might give you a hint. It is certainly not aluminum from the plane ... wrong color. If in dispute, visit any foundry and observe various molten metals being poured into molds. It's called Self Education. 
 
Keep attempting to debunk the issue and stay in the dark for as long as you remain comfortable, but you will not win this one until you offer a plausible counter solution.
Guest
43. 21-07-2008 15:09
sorry you must be rite
although I see no evidence of any 'molten steel' or any other mystery - you can do some research and find the answers to your sophmoric queries and concerns. Why has NO engineering school in the world share these fantasies??
Guest
44. 23-07-2008 11:11
sorry you must be rite
Lokis, 
 
Why can you not find pix and videos of molten steel flowing from the WTC building and dripping from steel beams pulled from collapse wreckage of each of the 3 WTC buildings. Where are you looking? What are you using for search words? You have had 7 years to do so. How much time do you still need? How much hand holding do you want? I know a probable answer to the melting of that steel, all I want you to do is observe it, then come back with a natural event counter theory, if able. Also while you are at it, see how many noted academics know how it was melted. Do find it and let us know your views of the obvious.
Guest
45. 07-09-2008 15:29
sorry you must be rite
It was the terrorists who planned and executed the 9/11 attacks. The incometent Bush administration ignored the warning signs. Israel had no involvement whatsoever. Just young Moslemmen.
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Chris
46. 08-10-2008 18:22
sorry you must be rite
i think maybe at a time when the us was having so many difficulties with people, it needed something common to bring them all together.. what works better than a common enemy. i mean there were prolly other reasons too.. i dunno.. its weird
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Peter
47. 09-10-2008 05:45
A New Pearl Harbor
Peter, you are quite correct. To strengthen your resolve, Google "A New Pearl Harbor". You will find a huge response, but a good start might be this article written in 2002. Note the history of the term, used by successive Govt. controllers. http://www.globalissues.org/article/397/a-new-pearl-harbor
Guest
48. 09-10-2008 08:44
5 dancing Israeli spies 9/11
#45, Chris, Have you not read of the 5 dancing Israeli spies seen and heard celebrating as the first plane hit the first Tower on 9/11? They were dressed in Arab clothing, standing on top of their furniture van, with video camera on a tripod, trained on the WTC, from across the river. They knew exactly when the action was to start and were prepared to record it and draw attention to the "fact that they were Arabs". They were reported and later in the afternoon were apprehended. The Arab clothing was found in the van. They were arrested and questioned for 15 weeks. Finally they were quietly returned to Israel, where they were lauded on return ... for what? Curiously and very seriously, all evidence gained during this 15 weeks was immediately Classified, never to be released. Why, we may well ask. Who is being protected here? Who in US Govt, or FBI also knew of the intended attack? Let's hear your version, if you can think of one ... it now 7 years later.
Guest
49. 21-11-2008 02:22
5 dancing Israeli spies 9/11
you can and should expect anything and everything for from these so called us government a puppet infiltrated and taken over by zionists. they are in the process of wringing every drop of blood from the us population. wake up before it's too late.
Guest
50. 01-12-2008 02:50
5 dancing Israeli spies 9/11
The masses 
 
Most humans are not awake believing their daddy, mom or government, religion, protects them. This Pringle guy believes Jesus walked on water so let him be. He believes in Santa. Never waste rime on believers.
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