AMY GOODMAN: And so, they never had that to take away from you, so they just would throw you in the hole?

HAROLD WILSON: Never. I never gave them the opportunity to dehumanize me to that point where I would second-guess my safety or my life betterment for something worldly as a TV.

AMY GOODMAN: You mentioned Abu Ghraib, Harold. When you saw the images at Abu Ghraib, did you see them when you were in prison?

HAROLD WILSON: No.

AMY GOODMAN: Of prisoners being tortured?

HAROLD WILSON: No.

AMY GOODMAN: But you heard about it?

HAROLD WILSON: I heard about it.

AMY GOODMAN: How did you hear about it?

HAROLD WILSON: I believe that I was in the county prison at that time, on what they call a bring down to address some issues or – at some point, yeah, I was in the county.

AMY GOODMAN: So this was after you were at SCI Green, when you went to the county prison?

HAROLD WILSON: Well, I was at the county prison numerous times just to litigate and the litigating of my PCRA to get rid of the death penalty and whatever, so I spent a lot of time off and on.

AMY GOODMAN: So, in that case, SCI Green actually had a direct connection to Abu Ghraib, because of a prison guard who ended up at Abu Ghraib, Charles Graner, who has been convicted of some of the torture in the unit there, in the prison within the prison. Were you familiar with Charles Graner?

HAROLD WILSON: I was, I could say, familiar with Officer Graner's demeanor, his method of torture, his method of abuse, others, but he’d draw the line when it came to me, because I was what -- one of my investigators called me a pain in the ass to my jailers, because I would use a grievance. I would use grievances, I would file grievances. I would go attend my 30-day review, when most death row inmates wouldn't.

AMY GOODMAN: You used the law library?

HAROLD WILSON: I would stand up. We had to fight for the law library on death row.

AMY GOODMAN: The guards would have to take you there?

HAROLD WILSON: Yes, you had to be escorted. Any movement was -- you were subject to escort by two officers, and you were cuffed in the back, and it was to the discretion of the officers whether to cuff you in the back or cuff you in the front or use shackles and leg irons. Those were left to the discretion of the officer. But yeah.

AMY GOODMAN: And how did the officers treat you as you were taken to the law library to build and challenge your case?

HAROLD WILSON: Well, most of them -- let's put it like this: They always appointed my escorts to be the most racist.

AMY GOODMAN: Former death row prisoner, Harold Wilson. Coming up, remarkable videotape of the prosecutor who convicted Wilson.

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