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by Jacob G. Hornberger

It’s interesting to see conservatives calling for the U.S. Attorney General to ignore evidence that people have knowingly violated federal criminal laws against torture. Aren’t conservatives usually the law-and-order crowd in this country?

The argument that conservatives are making for ignoring violations of federal criminal law seems to be that because the suspected criminals presumably had good intentions — e.g., protecting Americans from terrorism — federal prosecutors should refrain from prosecuting them for violating the law.

Yet, the simple fact remains — the law is the law. If the federal criminal statutes against torture provided that good intentions were a defense to criminal prosecution, that would be one thing. But they don’t. Therefore, the Attorney General’s duty is clear: Investigate and prosecute.

Otherwise, if the law isn’t going to be enforced, then what’s the point of having the law? As a facade? Moreover, if government officials are free to violate criminal laws whenever they have good intentions, then how is that any different from how government officials operate in such countries as Burma?

What about the claim that the suspected criminals saved American lives with the information they allegedly acquired through their violation of the torture statutes?

Again, the law does not provide that that’s a defense to prosecution. Instead, that’s a matter to be considered in mitigation of punishment.

For example, at sentencing the convicted torturer can argue to the judge that he broke the law because he felt that by doing so, he could save lives of Americans. He could show that his actions actually did save lives. The judge could then take such factors into consideration when imposing punishment.

But what the prosecutor cannot rightfully do is simply ignore violations of federal criminal law when faced with clear evidence that people have violated it, even if they claim to be well-motivated when they committed the violations.

Interestingly, the conservative law-and-order crowd, as well as the Attorney General himself and his team of federal prosecutors, seem to have a good understanding of these principles when it comes to violations of other federal criminal statutes, such as drug laws.

Suppose the DEA arrests a person here in Virginia in possession of marijuana. The person states, “I have cancer and this marijuana is alleviating the effects of my chemotherapy treatment.”

What will be the response of federal prosecutors? Will they ignore the drug laws based on the good motives of the drug-law violator? Of course not. They will say: “The law is the law and you have violated it. Explain your motives to the judge before he sentences you.”

Or suppose someone is caught selling a load of cocaine to an undercover DEA agent. The person says, “I need the money to pay for my mother’s heart operation. If she doesn’t have the operation, she’ll die.”

Will the feds let him off the hook with respect to prosecution? Of course not. Since the drug law does not provide that his good intentions constitute a defense to prosecution, they will prosecute him for violating the drug laws. They will tell him that he’s free to mention his motive at sentencing.

The same holds true for those who have violated laws against torture. With respect to prosecution, it makes no difference that the defendants allegedly were well-motivated or that their actions allegedly produced beneficial results. If they have violated the law, they need to be prosecuted for it. To permit them to escape prosecution makes a mockery of the law. They can tell their story to the judge at sentencing.

Jacob Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation, publisher of Your Money or Your Life: Why We Must Abolish the Income Tax by Sheldon Richman. 

 
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1. 29-08-2009 19:10
Outrageous, wake up
Jacob G. Hornberger, your disconnected, elitist idiocy is appalling. Even worse is that you do not even recognize it. Please share with the us, exactly how you became the supreme and uncontested term defining authority. Obviously, you live in a fantasy world, disconnected from reality. Yes, I agree torture is abhorrent. However, unlike you, I believe murder is worse. No one was tortured so the premise of your entire garbage opinion is flawed. Wake up pal, leave Disney land and join the really world. It is reprehensible that this administration and this attorney general are launching criminal probes into the actions of men and women who protected America in one of our darkest, most dangerous moments. 
2 points are being overlooked: those who ran the CIA program are the ones who blew the whistle and brought it to the attention of the inspector general and an investigation was conducted. 
Point number2-the investigator then turned over the findings to the department of justice, 5 years ago; the career prosecutors then looked into it and said we’re not going to prosecute except for one case, which they did. 
Attorney General Holder is acting on an ideological agenda. He does not have the security interest of the United States at heart and he is going to do enormous damage to America’s security and America’s intelligence gathering capability. Here we have men and women who did things that were authorized only after the CIA met with the Defense Department, the Justice Department, outside experts to set guidelines, those guidelines were reviewed by the Justice Department, blessed in a series of memorandums and with the awareness of Congress. Now we are looking back and deciding now that you did something wrong. How’s that going to effect future behavior? If you’re a CIA guy and you’re trying to protect America, are you going to look for a tough assignment? Are you going to do the tough thing? Are you going to do something within the law or are you going hold back and do as little as possible, for fear of having yourself end up at the twilight of your career, stuck in front of a federal prosecutor, paying for $100’s of thousands of legal bills out of your own pocket? 
 
Let’s step back even further for just a minute, these techniques were used on Jose Padilla who was going to use dirty bombs and blow up apartment buildings using natural gas explosions. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the master mind of 9-11, the information we got from him was so vital, it’s even classified today. Al Nasiriyah, the man who master minded the Cole, think about the plots that we know, which have been publically discussed that we were able to stop because of the information we gained from these techniques. Bring down 8 or 10 flights over the Pacific simultaneously, fly an airplane into Heathrow, attack American trains, blow up gas stations in the United States, fly a plane into the Liberty Tower in Los Angeles and these techniques worked. And if anybody needs to figure out whether they worked or not-read the Inspector General’s report that’s being sited by the opponents of these techniques. But read the report yourself and it is clear and convincing that these techniques kept America safe 
 
I read the reports and laughed, thinking they’re going to prosecute based on rampant hearsay, opinion and speculation? Because that’s there is there.
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2. 30-08-2009 05:16
Torture is evil & useless
Excellent article by Jacob Hornberger. 
 
Apart from the illegality, inhumanity and evil, torture is contra-indicated because the victim will say anything the torturer wants. 
 
The argument that so-called terrorists are a special case because they may kill many people is fatuous and based on a racist Zionist (RZ) and Bush-ite terror hysteria Big Lie. 
 
Thus the number of Western civilians mudered by Muslim non-state terrorists in the last 40 years totals about 7,000, with this figure including 2,000 Israelis living on stolen Palestinian land and 3,000 victims of the 9-11 atrocity (that the discovery of unexploded nano-thermite high explosive in all WTC dust samples examined is now seen as most likely to have been perpetrated by the the US with Israeli complicity) (see: Is US responsible for 9-11 atrocity? Scientists find nano-thermite in WTC dust ). In contrast, the excess deaths in Bush (now Obama) Wars , 1990-2009 total 9-11 million. 
 
The \"annual homicide rate\" expressed as \"deaths per million of population per year\" is 0.25 (Western civilians assertedly killed by Muslim-origin non-state terrorists), 0.5 (rapist Australian husbands murdered by raped wives), 0.5 (Israelis killed by Gaza missiles), 1.0 (Australian violent husbands murdered by battered wives), 14 (Australians dying from opiates linked to US Alliance restoration of the Taliban-destroyed Afghan opium industry); 15 (Israelis murdered by Israelis), 43 (female Australian suicide), 56 (Americans murdered by Americans), 80 (Australian road fatalities), 100 (Americans killed by guns), 164 (Palestinians killed violently by Israelis), 164 (Australian male suicides), 172 (Australian alcohol-related deaths), 200 (African-Americans murdered), 473 (citizens of Detroit, Michigan, USA). 
 
The above \"annual homicide victims per million of victim population\" statistics would indicate that if Muslim-origin non-state terrorists (0.25) can be tortured to prevent homicide then that so too should be abused wives (0.5-1.0) and certainly all male citizens of Detroit, Michigian, USA (473).  
 
QED. 
 
Reason and humanity aside, I have a personal loathing for torture, its advocates and practitioners. According to a recent asserted eyewitness, an eminent medical relative of mine was beaten to death by Arrow Cross Nazis in their Budapest HQ in 1944 and a further eminent medical relative, Dr Edith Bone, the cousin of my grandmother, was tortured through 7 years of abusive solitary imprisonment by the Stalinist Communist Hungarian secret police 1948-1956 - she escaped in the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and wrote a book about her ordeal and psychological survival entitled \"Seven Years Solitary\".
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gpolya@bigpond.comNOSPAM! ">Dr Gideon Polya
3. 30-08-2009 15:12
Who's in Fantasyland?
The “men and women who protected America in one of our darkest, most dangerous moments” 
Who’s in Disneyland here? 
 
These men and women were criminals who fraudulently took their nation and others into an aggressive and therefore illegal, violent and genocidal and therefore immoral war for the benefit of economically powerful and politically influential capitalists who profit from both the theft of resources of the victim nation and the transfer of public funds to private coffers, which by now, all grown-up adults should realise is what war is all about. 
 
The argument of [Outrageous, wake up] comes down to “torture is OK to protect American interests”. Perhaps someone here needs to realise that it’s the American obsession with “American interests that has created a 60 year history of interventions, invasions, support for abhorrent dictators and the establishment of a thousand US bases worldwide. It is this unsavoury history that has led to a situation where most of the world is “waking up” and many of them, even among your allies are inclined to despise all things American. Some countries and peoples around the world have suffered so much that they hate you bitterly and that is why they want to strike at you in any way they can. The arrogant American rampage post-9-11 has served only to amplify that resolve a thousand fold and without the “change” (where is Obama now?) it appears almost certain that sooner or later, one way or another they will get you again. 
 
You are in a fantasyland of denial and reality is screaming to get in. For those of us who understand and see it happening it creates both anger and despair. It’s the classic story of those who have everything and yet are obsessed with greed and paranoia and doomed to destroy the paradise you have.
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allen.jasson@rightofchoice.comNOSPAM! ">Allen L. Jasson

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