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Christians Should Fear A Christian Nation
Legend has it that two thousand years ago President Bush's favorite philosopher dodged the treason bullet by giving a group of Pharisees his honest opinion on the separation of church and state. Appreciating the wisdom in keeping heavenly and earthly concerns separate, Jesus advised them to "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."
Regrettably, the 2008 presidential frontrunners of both parties are ignoring Jesus' advice regarding the preferred relationship between church and state by professing—ad nauseam—their undying fidelity to the Christian Right's version of morality and its vision of our nation as their exclusive fiefdom.
Consider the statements of two Republican candidates. Senator John McCain said he believes the "Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation." Mike Huckabee said we should "amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards . . .." McCain is pandering. Huckabee is deadly earnest. But keep in mind, many a democratic nation has been trampled because politicians were outsmarted by those whose boots they licked.
At least one sitting Supreme Court Justice shares Huckabee's "deadly earnest" regarding God's standards. In a 2005 Supreme Court case considering whether a monument inscribed with the Ten Commandments sitting near the entrance of the Texas State Capital was unconstitutional and tantamount to government endorsed religion, Justice Scalia lectured the plaintiffs, "It is a symbol that the government derives its authority from God. That's what it is about. Our laws are derived from God."
It is of no little consequence when a Supreme Court justice pronounces that our laws are based on ancient biblical commands rather than on the "godless" Constitution. In essence, Scalia is saying that the secular democracy envisioned by the Founding Fathers should be a Christian theocracy as envisioned by a determined sect of fundamentalists.
Not only do the folks who share Huckabee and Scalia's "deadly earnest" want to change our nation's Constitution, they want to change its history as well.
Rep. James Forbes (R-VA), backed by thirty-one other Representatives, has proposed House Resolution 888 designating the first week in May as "American Religious History Week." The purpose of the bill is to affirm "the rich spiritual and religious history of our Nation's founding and subsequent history . . . and for the appreciation of and education on America's history of religious faith.
If passed, this Resolution will be as divisive and detrimental to the study of American history in public schools and public squares as intelligent design creationism has been to the study of evolution. It will—as it is meant to—bolster the Christian Right's claim to both our nation's past and its present.
Michael "Mikey" Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and former White House counsel during the Reagan administration, said that "House Resolution 888 is perhaps the most disgraceful, shocking and tragic example yet of the pernicious and pervasive pattern and practice of unconstitutional rape of our bedrock American citizens' religious freedom by the fundamentalist Christian right." Mikey is not known to mince words.
That a good number of the Framers of the Constitution were Christians is undeniable. But it is this fact that speaks strongly in defense of their decision to build the "wall of separation" between church and state that keeps government out of the business of religion. Their concern was not necessarily for the rights of the nonbeliever, but for the believer's freedom to choose which creed he or she will embrace.
"The particular genius of the Founding Fathers was their understanding that a Christian nation can be a dangerous place for both believers and nonbelievers. They knew that government prescribed religion—usually that of the most politically connected sect—invariably leads to intolerance and tyranny."
James Madison, writing in defense of this notion, asked the question, "Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?"
If there is any doubt as to the salience of Madison's question for a secular democracy, one need only consider a promise made by Pat Robertson, the fundamentalist voice of the Christian Right and 1988 presidential candidate. In a stump speech Robertson assured his audience that "after the Christian majority takes over this country, pluralism (non-fundamentalist beliefs) will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anyone to practice it." If Robertson or Huckabee or Scalia or Forbes have their way, our national motto will be modified accordingly, E Pluribus Fides Unum—Out of Many Beliefs, Only One.
It is a small thing for people of faith to allow religion to creep onto the public square. What harm is there in something as seemingly innocuous as a reference to God in the national pledge or motto, a moment of prayerful silence in the classroom or in a nondenominational prayer at a high school graduation? Why not give equal time to creationism in public schools or support faith-based organizations with tax dollars?
And what person of the "true" faith will object to their child's daily recitation of the Christian pledge of allegiance: "I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Savior for whose Kingdom it stands, One Savior, crucified, risen and coming again, with life and liberty for all who believe." And for those of us who do not believe or who believe a little differently?
In 1817 John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson, "Do you recollect, or have you ever attended to the ecclesiastical strife in Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, and every part of New England? What a mercy these people cannot whip and crop, and pillory and roast, as yet in the U.S.! If they could, they would."
Both believer and nonbeliever have a vested interest in the secular nation envisioned by the Founding Fathers; a nation whose "godless" Constitution and social pluralism ensures the kind of democracy in which the practice of any religion, or none, is an inalienable right.
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1. 27-01-2008 04:11
regarding God's standards. I
I knew I could not leave this article alone, when I read it.
To adopt Gods standards is a real worry.
In Gods name: To kill men women and children (dash the children), rip women asunder, rape them, kill their beast, destroy all unbelievers property, temples and so on.(It's in the book and a hell of a lot more). Don't forget the flood, and the death of the firstborn.
I suppose one could regard the USA as doing Gods work in Iraq.
As for me I do not want any thing to do with a bronze age god with a satanic ego.
(I wonder if I have over stepped the mark, but it's in the book!)
Mike
To adopt Gods standards is a real worry.
In Gods name: To kill men women and children (dash the children), rip women asunder, rape them, kill their beast, destroy all unbelievers property, temples and so on.(It's in the book and a hell of a lot more). Don't forget the flood, and the death of the firstborn.
I suppose one could regard the USA as doing Gods work in Iraq.
As for me I do not want any thing to do with a bronze age god with a satanic ego.
(I wonder if I have over stepped the mark, but it's in the book!)
Mike
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2. 27-01-2008 09:08
regarding God's standards. I
"Legend has it that two thousand years ago President Bush's favorite philosopher dodged the treason bullet by giving a group of Pharisees his honest opinion on the separation of church and state."
Say whuh? Last I remember, the best remembered part of that story was how the Pharisees nailed him for something anyway.
Now what was it...oh yeah, I remember, it was him giving his honest opinion that the existing government and clergy had gotten corrupt and stupid, using 'God' as a weapon of convenience with which to bludgeon the masses into fear and compliance, putting tradition above sense.
Well...and for fixing things that the rest of the clergy either couldn't or wouldn't. (would the lame or the possessed still have been lame or possessed if the old priests could heal them?)
Showing up the old guard for a fool tends to anger them.
...just ask Obama, who is himself already twenty years older than Jesus was when Jesus started his ministry.
Say whuh? Last I remember, the best remembered part of that story was how the Pharisees nailed him for something anyway.
Now what was it...oh yeah, I remember, it was him giving his honest opinion that the existing government and clergy had gotten corrupt and stupid, using 'God' as a weapon of convenience with which to bludgeon the masses into fear and compliance, putting tradition above sense.
Well...and for fixing things that the rest of the clergy either couldn't or wouldn't. (would the lame or the possessed still have been lame or possessed if the old priests could heal them?)
Showing up the old guard for a fool tends to anger them.
...just ask Obama, who is himself already twenty years older than Jesus was when Jesus started his ministry.
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3. 27-01-2008 13:53
regarding God's standards. I
Actually, the majority of the Signers were not Christian. At the closest, they were Deist. Here we are in Lilliput, willing to risk all for whether it's a big ender or a little ender world. The diviseness of these people, their narrow-minded views and exclusionism will destroy the world. Well...the world as they see it, ie the USA.
Note, too, please, that God did not make it into the pledge of allegiance until Ike's presidency.
Note, too, please, that God did not make it into the pledge of allegiance until Ike's presidency.
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4. 27-01-2008 17:54
regarding God's standards. I
This is what happens when you have religions in government,they become corrupted like the (pharisees) i am a christian,we do have your modern day pharisees and i call them "christian pharisees",root out the christian pharisees in government and we wouldn't have the problems that we have..
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5. 28-01-2008 03:39
regarding God's standards. I
I fear that if the US became a "Christian State" it would be much like the places that rule with Islamic rules except we'll have a Christian twist. So being homosexual or practicing non-Christian religious practices or working on Sunday would all be punishable by law.
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6. 28-01-2008 10:29
regarding God's standards. I
What's even more shocking is that it has gotten this far. This message has to get out to the rest of America, again and again, before it's too late. Those preaching for a Christian America certainly manage to get their message out -- at the expense of the naive who believe they are contributing to worthy causes!
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7. 29-01-2008 03:24
Religious Right hypocrisy & EVIL
Excellent article. I strongly agree with Lesley - America needs to KNOW about the shocking evil and hypocrisy of the Racist Religious Right Republican(R4) Bush-ites - and indeed the shocking hypocrisy of the religion-beholden Clinton neo-Bush-ites.
The Founding Fathers separated Church and State for good reasons (e.g. America was founded in part by religious refugees fleeing persecution from fellow \"Christians\").
Avowed Christian Al Gore (albeit a flawed one whose President Clinton to Gore\'s VP didn\'t sign Kyoto and was complcit in 1.2 million Iraqi infant deaths under Sanctions) has nevertheless argued powerfully for the Founding Father\'s separationm of Church and State in Chapter 2, \"Blinding the Faithful\" in his 2007 book \"The Assault on Reason\".
Al Gore, the masterly politician, of course readily perceives the MOTIVE of the Racist Religious Right Republican (R4) Bush-ites. QUOTE: \"It is truly POWER that is the key to understanding the cynical manipulation of faith and the assault on reason.\"
Perhaps the greatest gift to the World from the US was the Founding Fathers\' assertion: \"All Men are created equal and have an unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness\" and the kernel of pure moral gold in both the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible is \"love thy neighbour as thyself\".
Decent AGNOSTIC and ATHEIST humanists in America and around the world live by these key precepts but NOT the Racist Religious Right Republican Bush-ites nor the religion-spouting neo-Bush-ite Clinton Democrats who have supported the horrendous, ongoing Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Genocides (post-invasion excess deaths 0.3 million, 1.5-2 million and 3-6 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.2 million, respectively; and refugees (remember the Holy Family fleeing Herod) now totalling 7 million, 4.5 million and 4 million, respectively (for detailed documentation see \"Body Count\" and recent articles in the link provided at the bottom).
Not much \"equality of all men\" or \"love thy neighbour\" there in 90% avowedly \"Christian\" America. In contrast, in Richard Dawkins\' \"The God Delusion\" we discover that 93% of America\'s greatest scientists - the members of the US National Academy of Science - do NOT have a personal God, but I am quite sure that ALL of these outstandingly brilliant, selfless, dedicated men and women of science live their personal lives by \"equality of all men\" and \"love thy neighbour\".
A further precept that is so fundamental that it is not even codified is \"thou shalt not kill children\" (similarly non-codified because it is also so bleeding OBVIOUS to decent human beings is \"thou shalt not kill thy mother\" etc).
Yet the statistics above indicate that this is being grossly violated by both the war-mongering, child-killing, Bible-spouting Bush-ites AND by the war-mongering, child-killing, Bible-spouting Clinton neo-Bush-ites (see on MWC News: US Mass infanticide. 4 million reasons why Hillary Clinton is unfit to be President.
Underscoring the sheer evil and hypocrisy of both the war-mongering, child-killing, Bible-spouting Bush-ites and neo-Bush-ites is the horrible reality that expert academic researchers have found that 25% of American women and 10% of American men have been sexually abused as children; and, further, 8 years x 20,000 per year = 160,000 under-5 year old American infants will have died AVOIDABLY in the 8 years of Bush\'s reign (according to UNICEF statistics).
Fans of MWC News can be very proud that from Google Searching one finds that this highly moral \"Alternative\" Web magazine is #1 in the World on the Web for NECESSARILY enunciating the obvious\" \"thou shalt not kill children\"(see: Children of Lesser God. MWC News & Gideon Polya World #1 for \"thou shalt not kill children\" - not the Holy Father the Pope, not the Archbishop of Canterbury, and CERTAINLY NOT the child-killing American Religious Right.
Media with Conscience indeed.
The Founding Fathers separated Church and State for good reasons (e.g. America was founded in part by religious refugees fleeing persecution from fellow \"Christians\").
Avowed Christian Al Gore (albeit a flawed one whose President Clinton to Gore\'s VP didn\'t sign Kyoto and was complcit in 1.2 million Iraqi infant deaths under Sanctions) has nevertheless argued powerfully for the Founding Father\'s separationm of Church and State in Chapter 2, \"Blinding the Faithful\" in his 2007 book \"The Assault on Reason\".
Al Gore, the masterly politician, of course readily perceives the MOTIVE of the Racist Religious Right Republican (R4) Bush-ites. QUOTE: \"It is truly POWER that is the key to understanding the cynical manipulation of faith and the assault on reason.\"
Perhaps the greatest gift to the World from the US was the Founding Fathers\' assertion: \"All Men are created equal and have an unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness\" and the kernel of pure moral gold in both the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible is \"love thy neighbour as thyself\".
Decent AGNOSTIC and ATHEIST humanists in America and around the world live by these key precepts but NOT the Racist Religious Right Republican Bush-ites nor the religion-spouting neo-Bush-ite Clinton Democrats who have supported the horrendous, ongoing Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Genocides (post-invasion excess deaths 0.3 million, 1.5-2 million and 3-6 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.2 million, respectively; and refugees (remember the Holy Family fleeing Herod) now totalling 7 million, 4.5 million and 4 million, respectively (for detailed documentation see \"Body Count\" and recent articles in the link provided at the bottom).
Not much \"equality of all men\" or \"love thy neighbour\" there in 90% avowedly \"Christian\" America. In contrast, in Richard Dawkins\' \"The God Delusion\" we discover that 93% of America\'s greatest scientists - the members of the US National Academy of Science - do NOT have a personal God, but I am quite sure that ALL of these outstandingly brilliant, selfless, dedicated men and women of science live their personal lives by \"equality of all men\" and \"love thy neighbour\".
A further precept that is so fundamental that it is not even codified is \"thou shalt not kill children\" (similarly non-codified because it is also so bleeding OBVIOUS to decent human beings is \"thou shalt not kill thy mother\" etc).
Yet the statistics above indicate that this is being grossly violated by both the war-mongering, child-killing, Bible-spouting Bush-ites AND by the war-mongering, child-killing, Bible-spouting Clinton neo-Bush-ites (see on MWC News: US Mass infanticide. 4 million reasons why Hillary Clinton is unfit to be President.
Underscoring the sheer evil and hypocrisy of both the war-mongering, child-killing, Bible-spouting Bush-ites and neo-Bush-ites is the horrible reality that expert academic researchers have found that 25% of American women and 10% of American men have been sexually abused as children; and, further, 8 years x 20,000 per year = 160,000 under-5 year old American infants will have died AVOIDABLY in the 8 years of Bush\'s reign (according to UNICEF statistics).
Fans of MWC News can be very proud that from Google Searching one finds that this highly moral \"Alternative\" Web magazine is #1 in the World on the Web for NECESSARILY enunciating the obvious\" \"thou shalt not kill children\"(see: Children of Lesser God. MWC News & Gideon Polya World #1 for \"thou shalt not kill children\" - not the Holy Father the Pope, not the Archbishop of Canterbury, and CERTAINLY NOT the child-killing American Religious Right.
Media with Conscience indeed.
Guest
8. 04-02-2008 07:27
Horrors
I am a theologian and I don\'t believe that religion or its purveyors should be within ten yards of the Constitution It is too dangerous for both religion and governance. :eek :eek
Guest
9. 09-07-2008 08:24
Horrors
I can understand why people are concerened about this but this is actually the correct move.
Guest
10. 12-07-2008 15:12
Christian.
First off Bush is not a Christian,he just claims to be because the devil`s always try to mock what Christianity really stands for.
Second off,there are Church`s full of Mason preachers and members.Masonry comes from the Illuminati,satanic organizations.Jesus Christ cannot be prayed to in secret societies,that really are not secret.By their fruits ye shall know them.
The Pilgrims came to America in 1600`s with their Geneva Bibles where they could freely speak and preach the Word of God.
Look at Obama real close because he is not a Christian either but a closet Muslim,that is bent on the destruction of Christianity,and the rise of Islam.
Obama will bring Marshal Law if Bush don`t before the elections that he has the power to suspend,if America attacks Iran.
Those that are gun lovers against Christianity,will get a little of their own medicine when the government tells them to give over their guns,or go to American`s consentration camps,that most are not aware of,do a search.
If the word homosexuality is hate speech,then the Word Alcoholic {i.e.drunkard} and drug addict is also and I see millions of Law Suits coming,against the alcohol rehab`s that our government profits from.
Homosexuals,the word drunkard is in the same verse that condemns souls to a real literal hell,so homosexual`s dont call someone a drunkard or you will be arrested for hate speech to and then drug and alcohol rehabs will have to shut down or come up with a more proper name for the alcoholic.
God is not mocked,for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.
Obama put the man on the blog tied to his website up to suing the bible publishers.
Vote for Obama and everyone except the satanic muslims will pay,including homosexual`s.
Maranatha!
Second off,there are Church`s full of Mason preachers and members.Masonry comes from the Illuminati,satanic organizations.Jesus Christ cannot be prayed to in secret societies,that really are not secret.By their fruits ye shall know them.
The Pilgrims came to America in 1600`s with their Geneva Bibles where they could freely speak and preach the Word of God.
Look at Obama real close because he is not a Christian either but a closet Muslim,that is bent on the destruction of Christianity,and the rise of Islam.
Obama will bring Marshal Law if Bush don`t before the elections that he has the power to suspend,if America attacks Iran.
Those that are gun lovers against Christianity,will get a little of their own medicine when the government tells them to give over their guns,or go to American`s consentration camps,that most are not aware of,do a search.
If the word homosexuality is hate speech,then the Word Alcoholic {i.e.drunkard} and drug addict is also and I see millions of Law Suits coming,against the alcohol rehab`s that our government profits from.
Homosexuals,the word drunkard is in the same verse that condemns souls to a real literal hell,so homosexual`s dont call someone a drunkard or you will be arrested for hate speech to and then drug and alcohol rehabs will have to shut down or come up with a more proper name for the alcoholic.
God is not mocked,for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.
Obama put the man on the blog tied to his website up to suing the bible publishers.
Vote for Obama and everyone except the satanic muslims will pay,including homosexual`s.
Maranatha!
Guest
11. 13-07-2008 00:00
Christian.
Err, no, Anonymous Whistleblower. Not particularly close with that post. If anyone wants to know what is really going to happen just go to my homepage. Okay. Don't listen to well intentioned but confused individuals like A.W.
Guest
12. 26-07-2008 21:36
To Robert "The Weasel" Weitzel Spilled
Christians have a Christian Nation. It's not officially a Christian Nation, but that's what it was founded on: Christian principles, and that's how we'll keep it. And we will never fear improving on our Christian nation by Passing more conservative measures to keep our traditions alive and well for ours and the benefit of the world.
Secular Progressivism is dying out as a result of faith and steadfastness of good Christian awakenings, exposing truths behind the media and education.
God has blessed this land many times over and will continue to do so because of the faith-hearted champions of His Word that strive each day in America for His guidance and strength.
The founding fathers of our country had a great vision and a great purpose which is just as alive and as patriotic as it was back in the 1700s.
Secular Progressivism is dying out as a result of faith and steadfastness of good Christian awakenings, exposing truths behind the media and education.
God has blessed this land many times over and will continue to do so because of the faith-hearted champions of His Word that strive each day in America for His guidance and strength.
The founding fathers of our country had a great vision and a great purpose which is just as alive and as patriotic as it was back in the 1700s.
Guest
13. 26-07-2008 23:26
"Christian" US mass pedocide
Consult UNICEF (see: UNICEF data by country and you will discover the following awful statistics of \"annual under-5 year old infant deaths\" in the following US- or US surrogate-occupied countries: 327,000 (Occupied Afghanistan), 22,000 (occupied Haiti), 43,000 (Occupied Iraq), 54,000 (Occupied Somalia) and 3,000 (Occupied Palestinian Territory) - 449,000 in total each year, 1,230 each day, 51 per hour and about ONE EVERY MINUTE.
By the time you finished reading this, \"Christian\" Amerika will have killed ANOTHER utterly innocent Occupied Territory infant, bereaved another Occupied Territory mother, bereaved another Occupied Territory father.
Racist Religious Right Republican (R4) Bush-ite Amerika is no more Christian than Nazi Germany (or post-Nazi Germany for that matter, which is involved with Amerika in the ongoing Afghan Genocide, the Afghan Holocaust that already exceeds the WW2 Jewish Holocaust in terms of occupier-responsible avoidable deaths).
It is probably very un-Christian of me (I am actually an anti-racist, humanitarian Humanist agnostic who LOVES the love, peace and \"love thy neighbour\" of Jesus Christ) but one sometimes wishes that there WERE a Hell for the child mass murdering, mass paedocidal, Racist Religious Right Republican (R4) Bush-ite, anti-Christ, anti-Woman, anti-Child, Amerikan child-killers and their disgusting, evil, racist Zionist backers.
Jesus said \"Suffer the little children to come unto Me\" but the evil, racist, mass paedocidal, anti-Arab anti-Semitic, Islamophobic Zionists and Bush-ites have abbreviated this to \"Suffer the little children\".
It is high time that decent Americans kicked these evil, racist, cowardly, child-killing Bush-ites and Zionists out of US public life, just as they have consigned other lying, racist excrement such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, racist Southern red-necks and KKK to the trash bin of History.
By the time you finished reading this, \"Christian\" Amerika will have killed ANOTHER utterly innocent Occupied Territory infant, bereaved another Occupied Territory mother, bereaved another Occupied Territory father.
Racist Religious Right Republican (R4) Bush-ite Amerika is no more Christian than Nazi Germany (or post-Nazi Germany for that matter, which is involved with Amerika in the ongoing Afghan Genocide, the Afghan Holocaust that already exceeds the WW2 Jewish Holocaust in terms of occupier-responsible avoidable deaths).
It is probably very un-Christian of me (I am actually an anti-racist, humanitarian Humanist agnostic who LOVES the love, peace and \"love thy neighbour\" of Jesus Christ) but one sometimes wishes that there WERE a Hell for the child mass murdering, mass paedocidal, Racist Religious Right Republican (R4) Bush-ite, anti-Christ, anti-Woman, anti-Child, Amerikan child-killers and their disgusting, evil, racist Zionist backers.
Jesus said \"Suffer the little children to come unto Me\" but the evil, racist, mass paedocidal, anti-Arab anti-Semitic, Islamophobic Zionists and Bush-ites have abbreviated this to \"Suffer the little children\".
It is high time that decent Americans kicked these evil, racist, cowardly, child-killing Bush-ites and Zionists out of US public life, just as they have consigned other lying, racist excrement such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, racist Southern red-necks and KKK to the trash bin of History.
Guest
14. 27-07-2008 08:47
"Christian" US mass pedocide
Gideon you will be pleased to know that there is indeed a hell. And I have already got a pretty long list of those who are destined for it. Judgement Day.
Guest
15. 27-07-2008 17:55
16. 27-07-2008 14:56
Zionist & Bush-ite abuse
I suppose that post#15 and similar posts involving horrible, ad hominem abuse are useful testament to the irrationality and venom of Zionist and Bush-ite invective - but otherwise they don't add anything in the way of rational debate.
Guest
17. 27-07-2008 21:00
I'd Rather Be A ZIONIST!
"Rational debate".... Is that what you call your logic? HA!
You call this rational debate?!: "By the time you finished reading this, \"Christian\" Amerika will have killed ANOTHER utterly innocent Occupied Territory infant, bereaved another Occupied Territory mother, bereaved another Occupied Territory father. ..., Racist Religious Right Republican (R4) Bush-ite Amerika is no more Christian than Nazi Germany (or post-Nazi Germany for that matter, which is involved with Amerika in the ongoing Afghan Genocide, the Afghan Holocaust that already exceeds the WW2 Jewish Holocaust in terms of occupier-responsible avoidable deaths). ... Jesus said \"Suffer the little children to come unto Me\" but the evil, racist, mass paedocidal, anti-Arab anti-Semitic, Islamophobic Zionists and Bush-ites have abbreviated this to \"Suffer the little children\". ... evil, racist, cowardly, child-killing Bush-ites and Zionists out of US public life, just as they have consigned other lying, racist excrement such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, racist Southern red-necks and KKK to the trash bin of History...."
WHAT?! Did I see that you just wrote the words "RATIONAL DEBATE" in one of your retarded posts!!! In the context that the people whom you call "BUSH-ITES, and "ZIONISTS" lack "RATIONAL DEBATE?!!!" You are so freaking creepy!!!
At least I and "others" can utter things we can substantiate!!!
:grin
You call this rational debate?!: "By the time you finished reading this, \"Christian\" Amerika will have killed ANOTHER utterly innocent Occupied Territory infant, bereaved another Occupied Territory mother, bereaved another Occupied Territory father. ..., Racist Religious Right Republican (R4) Bush-ite Amerika is no more Christian than Nazi Germany (or post-Nazi Germany for that matter, which is involved with Amerika in the ongoing Afghan Genocide, the Afghan Holocaust that already exceeds the WW2 Jewish Holocaust in terms of occupier-responsible avoidable deaths). ... Jesus said \"Suffer the little children to come unto Me\" but the evil, racist, mass paedocidal, anti-Arab anti-Semitic, Islamophobic Zionists and Bush-ites have abbreviated this to \"Suffer the little children\". ... evil, racist, cowardly, child-killing Bush-ites and Zionists out of US public life, just as they have consigned other lying, racist excrement such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, racist Southern red-necks and KKK to the trash bin of History...."
WHAT?! Did I see that you just wrote the words "RATIONAL DEBATE" in one of your retarded posts!!! In the context that the people whom you call "BUSH-ITES, and "ZIONISTS" lack "RATIONAL DEBATE?!!!" You are so freaking creepy!!!
At least I and "others" can utter things we can substantiate!!!
:grin
Guest
18. 27-07-2008 22:36
Substantiated infant deaths
I REPEAT, consult UNICEF data (see: UNICEF data by country and you will discover the following awful statistics of \"annual under-5 year old infant deaths\" in the following US- or US surrogate-occupied countries: 327,000 (Occupied Afghanistan), 22,000 (occupied Haiti), 43,000 (Occupied Iraq), 54,000 (Occupied Somalia) and 3,000 (Occupied Palestinian Territory) - 449,000 in total each year, 1,230 each day, 51 per hour and about ONE EVERY MINUTE.
Bald denial by Zionists or Bush-ites will not make the authoritative UNICEF statistics go away.
The core messages from the Jewish Holocaust (6 million dead, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and the WW2 Western Theatre Holocaust in general (30 million Slav, Jewish and Roma dead) are "zero tolerance for racism" and "never again to anyone" - sacred messages grossly violated by the Zionists and Bush-ites complicit in these horrendous infant deaths in US- and US surrogate-occupied countries.
Bald denial by Zionists or Bush-ites will not make the authoritative UNICEF statistics go away.
The core messages from the Jewish Holocaust (6 million dead, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and the WW2 Western Theatre Holocaust in general (30 million Slav, Jewish and Roma dead) are "zero tolerance for racism" and "never again to anyone" - sacred messages grossly violated by the Zionists and Bush-ites complicit in these horrendous infant deaths in US- and US surrogate-occupied countries.
Guest
19. 28-07-2008 03:37
Substantiated infant deaths
Correct, Dr Polya. Correct.
Guest
20. 28-07-2008 10:56
You Mean Unsubstantiated...
FACT: Those deaths are not caused by \"Bush-ites\" or \"Zionists.\" Is South Korea one of those countries? How about Japan? We\'re there too. Wouldn\'t a \"Zionist\" or \"Bush-ite\" want to plunder and pillage those places as well? Hey! Maybe it\'s going on in those places too, and nobody knows about it! Oh my!
Will the \'UNICEF data by country\' confirm that your extremism is well founded? No. Not one bit.
You know, for every innocent person who gets killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine or Israel, that makes the Islamo-Fascist elements(including their sick sympathizers)jump with glee because they know that there are Kool-aid fueled schmucks out there that will try to make it sound like it\'s the fault of America or Israel, and with most of the media on their side, it\'s pretty damn obvious, too.
FACT: The United States of America is committed to ending such violence as requested by the host DEMOCRATIC governments of countries in the middle east in which we are deployed, in order to maintain peace and stamp-out any and all terrorists. It\'s a good thing that Secular-Progressive schmucks can never stand in the way of REAL PROGRESS.
Will the \'UNICEF data by country\' confirm that your extremism is well founded? No. Not one bit.
You know, for every innocent person who gets killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine or Israel, that makes the Islamo-Fascist elements(including their sick sympathizers)jump with glee because they know that there are Kool-aid fueled schmucks out there that will try to make it sound like it\'s the fault of America or Israel, and with most of the media on their side, it\'s pretty damn obvious, too.
FACT: The United States of America is committed to ending such violence as requested by the host DEMOCRATIC governments of countries in the middle east in which we are deployed, in order to maintain peace and stamp-out any and all terrorists. It\'s a good thing that Secular-Progressive schmucks can never stand in the way of REAL PROGRESS.
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21. 28-07-2008 11:03
BTW
And yes, I smiled especially really big while writing the last sentence of my last paragraph of my last post. :)
God Bless
God Bless
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22. 28-07-2008 12:55
Zionist & Bush-ite mass child killing
Readers of this thread - you will have to choose between horrifying authoritative statistics on horrendous infant mortality in US- and US surrogate-occupied countries from UNICEF and the UN Population Divisions (see above; the Ruler is responsible for the Ruled) VERSUS unsubstantiated, anonymous, abusive support for the violent, war criminal and racist Zionists and Bush-ites involved in anti-Arab anti-Semitic Holocaust commission and Holocaust denial.
Post-invasion excess deaths in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories alone now total 0.3 million, 2 million and 3-7 million; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths total 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; and refugees total 7 million, 4.5 million and 4 million, respectively (for details and documentation see: Palestinian, Iraqi, Afghan, Biofuel and Climate Genocides – Silence Kills and Silence is Complicity ).
Remember that Nazis were tried and variously hanged or imprisoned for the invasion and occupation of foreign countries and attendant mass murder war crimes in World War 2.
The racist Zionist and Bush-ite war criminals are indeed latter-day Nazi equivalents - in a decent world there would be no place for these child mass murdering, latter-day Nazis to hide.
As demanded by outstanding Jewish British writer and Nobel Laureate Harold Pinter (and many others), those responsible for the horrendous carnage in US- and US surrogate-occupied countries should be arraigned as war criminals before the International Criminal Court.
Post-invasion excess deaths in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories alone now total 0.3 million, 2 million and 3-7 million; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths total 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; and refugees total 7 million, 4.5 million and 4 million, respectively (for details and documentation see: Palestinian, Iraqi, Afghan, Biofuel and Climate Genocides – Silence Kills and Silence is Complicity ).
Remember that Nazis were tried and variously hanged or imprisoned for the invasion and occupation of foreign countries and attendant mass murder war crimes in World War 2.
The racist Zionist and Bush-ite war criminals are indeed latter-day Nazi equivalents - in a decent world there would be no place for these child mass murdering, latter-day Nazis to hide.
As demanded by outstanding Jewish British writer and Nobel Laureate Harold Pinter (and many others), those responsible for the horrendous carnage in US- and US surrogate-occupied countries should be arraigned as war criminals before the International Criminal Court.
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23. 28-07-2008 18:27
Let's keep repeating ourselves
For every innocent person who gets killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine or Israel, that makes the Islamo-Fascist elements(including their sick sympathizers)jump with glee because they know that there are Kool-aid fueled schmucks out there that will try to make it sound like it's the fault of America or Israel, and with most of the media on their side, it's pretty damn obvious, too.
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24. 30-07-2008 03:09
Let's keep repeating ourselves
To Ole Dude:
That is because it IS the fault (mainly) of America (particularly the neo-cons) and Israel (all of 'em). And no I am not an Islamo-Fascist. What an insult. You will be begging me for forgiveness one day. You mark my words Ole f**king Dude.
That is because it IS the fault (mainly) of America (particularly the neo-cons) and Israel (all of 'em). And no I am not an Islamo-Fascist. What an insult. You will be begging me for forgiveness one day. You mark my words Ole f**king Dude.
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25. 30-07-2008 21:34
26. 06-10-2008 06:03
"Nuts?"
...Ol' dude, I think you are on the wrong side of that historical reference.
Anon Whistleblower: And what's the penalty for "Bearing false witness against your neighbor?"
"Look at Obama real close because he is not a Christian either but a closet Muslim,that is bent on the destruction of Christianity,and the rise of Islam."
Regards from an old Progressive Libertarian schmuck who knows the difference between shiess and Shinola.
Anon Whistleblower: And what's the penalty for "Bearing false witness against your neighbor?"
"Look at Obama real close because he is not a Christian either but a closet Muslim,that is bent on the destruction of Christianity,and the rise of Islam."
Regards from an old Progressive Libertarian schmuck who knows the difference between shiess and Shinola.
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27. 06-10-2008 07:16
"Nuts?"
Maybe it would be a good thing to bring back Christian ways, something to do as a family. You know, go to the witch burning, Islamics, heretics, whoever just enjoy the Christian activities. In other words bring the killing back home. Plenty of unchristian radicals to persecute, why not bring back the good old fiery cross, the symbol of decent white Christan folk.
Mike
Mike
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28. 06-10-2008 09:05
Commandments
Ten Commandments??
If you actually read Exodus 20, there are twelve commandments in it.
And it goes on to chapters 21,22,23 with roughly another forty, depending upon whether you count repetitions and subclauses.
If your ox gores someone else's, you are responsible. If the pit you dug injures someone, you are responsible.
These Commandments are about environmental responsibility.
Then there is one that condemns lynching, "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil." I guess that also applies to voting for the Iraq war, because everybody else does.
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" is a bit severe, since there is no proof that the Devil makes such bargains. But it does seem to forbid consulting quack diviners like Nancy Reagan did.
If you actually read Exodus 20, there are twelve commandments in it.
And it goes on to chapters 21,22,23 with roughly another forty, depending upon whether you count repetitions and subclauses.
If your ox gores someone else's, you are responsible. If the pit you dug injures someone, you are responsible.
These Commandments are about environmental responsibility.
Then there is one that condemns lynching, "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil." I guess that also applies to voting for the Iraq war, because everybody else does.
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" is a bit severe, since there is no proof that the Devil makes such bargains. But it does seem to forbid consulting quack diviners like Nancy Reagan did.
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